Show me a vinyl system, from master through playback, with 0.001% distortion over the audio bandwidth and you could have a point. Since they run several thousands of times higher than that, you may be searching a long time.
Ed Simon claims (and I have no data to contradict him) that listening rooms run 30dBA or so. You guys can fight that one out.
Not sure i can show you one with 1% distortion 😛
Gradually weaning myself off vinyl. CD was only suitable for in-car entertainment and SACD not significantly better, but well recorded 96/24 and higher and especially high-rate DSD are completely changing the game.
A 1.2k moving coil on an air-bearing arm just cannot compete anymore. Maybe a 5k cart still has a fighting chance but i no longer have one and likely never again will.
It is also sobering to compare the reproduction chains. My digital rig uses a single FET per channel as I/V. No analogue volume control, no preamp...
Only issue i have with digital at the moment is the relative lack of high-rez software.
My issue is the lack of uncompressed and not-overly-processed software, but I have the same problem with modern vinyl.
Thats simply false. I have many exemples where the cd is better then the LP.
Bon iver LP's sounds worse then the CD.
You should hang around steve hoffman more often, everyday you can see comparison of vinyl vs cd. Not always vinyls win.
It is measurable that a turn table has more noise more distortion. The cartridges are not linear even left and right can have level problems.
So the total of more noise more distortion and less linearity let you think you hear more on a vinyl record, this is true and we know what it is.
Still it is a nice part of the audio hobby.
So the total of more noise more distortion and less linearity let you think you hear more on a vinyl record, this is true and we know what it is.
Still it is a nice part of the audio hobby.
how can that be a relevent test to proove that LP is better then CD. The cd player (DAC) will dictate how good the cd sounds, not the actual CD.
I dont know, but you can find a lot of people going from 30k vinyl setup to DAC and saying they dont miss their LP's.
I personally like to use both because I want to make sure I have the original mastering with jazz records (another reason why LP's can be better then CD is about the mastering done to the master tapes to fit the CD medium) but I have heard some competent designer claiming that a good dac nowadays is at the level of analog.
You have a habit of missing the point and i have measured a lot of rooms only custom rooms and studios see 30db and lower, now try addressing my point regarding whats available to the public.....
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Its not the cartridge thats your problem, the bottleneck is elsewhere, your system lack dynamics , especially micro, the lack of good dynamics is why youfeel that way about the analog...My friends ESL setup suffers from this , his VPI does not sound better than his digital, both gives me a headache when he plays .. 🙂
Yes nothing like comparing 2 bad recordings of bad music as an example..🙄
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The fact that many don't even have a clue as to the type of music and recordings necessary to do such a comparison is shocking, comparing recordings of LSD impaired musicians at work is , well ....... 🙄
I did, and so did several others.
If you think Ed is wrong about background noise, take it up with him.
That's part of your problem. You're limited to 60-70dB S/N even with absolute perfection in all other aspects of the signal chain by fundamental physics. Add in the inevitable surface noise and TT noise and you'd be lucky to make 50. Sorry, you're totally off base here. Perhaps you should follow the advice of your sig line.
Like I already stated we know what these micro-dynamics are.
Is there some where measured proof that your vinyl recording has more dynamics. A cartridge can easy double the dynamics in some parts if his bandwidth. Also called non-liniairity.
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You do know there is digital noise, or are you so excited about those lovely squarewaves rolling out of your DAC... 🙄
I fail to see the point.
Mypoint is that some vinyl sounds worse then the cd version. You said that every lp will be better then the cd version, which is false.
You really shoudnt insult someone else taste in music, ever.
I am in contact with Thorsten for a couple of years, he helped me build my whole system, tahts what he told me concerning cd vs analog:
''People generally comment that they find the AMR CD-77 which I helped to design comparable to LP, with good recordings. Read the reviews.
I tend to agree, the best lps via our LP setup (Feickert Blackbird, modded Regarding Arm, Lyra Dorian and AMR PH-77) and the best CDs are a close match and equally enjoyable.''
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You can filter these square waves. Or use a transformer as bandpass filter.
There are even people who do not filter at all "Altmann DAC". most adults can not hear above 13kHz so do not worry to much.
On what kind of level do you hear pre-ringing -100dB? I can not find data on that.
The OP asked: How better can it sound?
Simple truth is that LP can't sound any better than a CD.
OP figured this out quickly.
Others continue to roost in this thread do to its title's word choice and order.
Putting aside human factors in production, technical merits of digital recording and rendering to 44.1kHz 16bit blow analog tape out of water. Rendering of same source for vinyl requires significant modification to make groove that can be tracked and hold up fairly well to a few plays before audible degradation develops.
I know thorsten and i have never heard him say it has surpassed analog, especially since whats available to the consumer is not better ..
Ps: I never insulted yours or anyone else's taste in music , no sir , I merely suggested the lack of intelligence when using studio recordings for evaluation, mostly because of a lack of reference...
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