oohhh myyy goooshhhh!!!!!
The equipment I have listened in this thread is equipment I have ALL listened to in a controlled envoroment.
I have listened to Cambridges, Jeff Rowlands, Spectral, Music Fidelity, Pass, Klimo, and so on on and on...
I have also listened to MIT, Audioquest, Kimber Cable, Nordost and so on and on and on...
I mean 5th you are an ignorant with respect the audio field.
If you can't hear the difference it doesn't mean there is no difference if other 1000 people can hear it.
Even a person who is not audio fanatic and could care less could tell you the difference between your farnell wire and cheap connector and a serious cable gear!!
There is a TON of difference and now I can only imagine the kind of things you have "designed" !!!!
How can you even desing something in your audio system to begin with and plus if you can't even hear the difference between a pass lab and a Cambridge cheap thing???
Plus you have the arrogance to not even say that you have NEVER tried to compare things?
The equipment I have listened in this thread is equipment I have ALL listened to in a controlled envoroment.
I have listened to Cambridges, Jeff Rowlands, Spectral, Music Fidelity, Pass, Klimo, and so on on and on...
I have also listened to MIT, Audioquest, Kimber Cable, Nordost and so on and on and on...
I mean 5th you are an ignorant with respect the audio field.
If you can't hear the difference it doesn't mean there is no difference if other 1000 people can hear it.
Even a person who is not audio fanatic and could care less could tell you the difference between your farnell wire and cheap connector and a serious cable gear!!
There is a TON of difference and now I can only imagine the kind of things you have "designed" !!!!
How can you even desing something in your audio system to begin with and plus if you can't even hear the difference between a pass lab and a Cambridge cheap thing???
Plus you have the arrogance to not even say that you have NEVER tried to compare things?
your explanation are really basic but other than that you are disregarding that you are trating audio signal and the final judge is your hear and not a stupid cheap oscilloscope you might have!!!!!!!!
So what you're saying are the scientific principles that have enabled us to put a man on the moon, several rovers on Mars, have allowed for the design of MRI machines/ultra sound, can map out the geology of the earth using nothing but earth quakes, send signals around the world using wires/fiber optics/satellites, are good enough for that and analysing the progress of such endeavors, but for some reason fall completely and utterly short when it comes to our ears?
So far you haven't been able to provide one credible reason as to why any of what you are saying is true, all you've done is spout nonsense to say that I am wrong, without providing any evidence to back up what you're saying.
So far you haven't been able to provide one credible reason as to why any of what you are saying is true, all you've done is spout nonsense to say that I am wrong, without providing any evidence to back up what you're saying.
Watch 5th Element again , all that technology and it took a cab driver and a priest to save the planet ... 🙂........ 
So yes , 5th we use our ears to listen and science to look for little green men , it's that simple .. 🙂
The first rule of value , it's only worth what someone is willing to Pay , second rule , it's always more costly than predicted ...
Carry on ....
So yes , 5th we use our ears to listen and science to look for little green men , it's that simple .. 🙂
The first rule of value , it's only worth what someone is willing to Pay , second rule , it's always more costly than predicted ...
Carry on ....
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5th, may I suggest you start a thread about this hypothetical Amp and it's associated cost , I sure there are other DIY guys who think the same way. Why not design your hypothetical best of the best amp , layout topology , parts cost , construction , etc , then factor in your business model to manufacture and sell this best of the best amp , less see how close you get to The crazies on price ..🙂
Hang on, I like to fantasize I'm Rubby the Rod, and listen to opera music while shagging a blue diva.
(but she better smell like cotton candy, not fish)
Ask him if one heatsink can dissipate +/- 23V rails and 2.5 A.
On each heatsink you are going to power one half of the balanced amp channel.
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This doesn't really have anything to do with that though. It's about whether or not you're getting value for money in audiophile territory. The fact of the matter is that the raw PCBs with all the components on, for the Cambridge Audio amp and then for the Levinson amp, will both cost roughly the same as one another. This is the part of the amplifier that makes it sound the way it does. There is absolutely nothing about the Levinson amp that means it has to cost the amount that it does. Now sure you've said they are simply charging what the market will bare, which is fine, but all that means is that you're paying for the brand name and not getting value for money, which just adds to my point.
True, but build quality of the AMS100 (and the titan) isn't that great.
A fair comparison would be the MBL 9007, same price league as the MF.
Neither of the two brands rings my bell, but going from 9007 to 9011, the jump to double the price tag is clearly visible.
(100V peak in 2 ohm isn't something any power amp is capable of)
(value for money, we'd all drive a Vauxhall, at an annual +1.25 billion dollar loss for GM)
A fair comparison would be the MBL 9007, same price league as the MF.
Neither of the two brands rings my bell, but going from 9007 to 9011, the jump to double the price tag is clearly visible.
(100V peak in 2 ohm isn't something any power amp is capable of)
(value for money, we'd all drive a Vauxhall, at an annual +1.25 billion dollar loss for GM)
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Also....The violin stradivari is unique, science has tried to replicate it with no success.....but we can go to the moon...but go figure a simple man with no knowledge of science could make the best violin in the world!!! 😱 😱
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What is being missed is the individual preference of listeners. Musical enjoyment is subjective and there has never been a clear correlation between cost and preference among components. You say that speakerX that cost 25000k is superior and another guy doesnt like it at all and instead prefers this 5k speaker. Is he wrong simply because his choice cost less? That is the argument you are making, Stefanoo. It reaks of pretense.
I don't think you have any skills on listenings since you seem to make comparison between a 25K and a 5K speaker. They are too much in a different league of performance.
If you don't understand that you obviously not going to understand either why a v-cap copper Teflon cap sounds better all around if compared to a film wima cap.
Quality comes to a cost and subjective preference gas nothing to do with that unless you are a beginner and confuse qualities for imperfections which usually happens when you are a newbie to hi end audio.
Now if you tell me I prefer b&w over an Avalon and this is subjective BUT I would never say that Avalon is a bad speaker.
I think you and 5th should team up and build something together since you two look like have the same degree of talent and preparation.
Once again people here who want to just argue skip always the best part if my comments...
So I would say to buzz is to go out and find a violin that sounds better than the Stradivari at a 10th of the cost!!
Have fun!!
If you don't understand that you obviously not going to understand either why a v-cap copper Teflon cap sounds better all around if compared to a film wima cap.
Quality comes to a cost and subjective preference gas nothing to do with that unless you are a beginner and confuse qualities for imperfections which usually happens when you are a newbie to hi end audio.
Now if you tell me I prefer b&w over an Avalon and this is subjective BUT I would never say that Avalon is a bad speaker.
I think you and 5th should team up and build something together since you two look like have the same degree of talent and preparation.
Once again people here who want to just argue skip always the best part if my comments...
So I would say to buzz is to go out and find a violin that sounds better than the Stradivari at a 10th of the cost!!
Have fun!!
I wouldn't say that. Science or other luthiers have made instruments that are on a parr with the Strads in terms of what they sound like, but none, are obviously, Strads. Now with something like age old instruments, the aging factor, with regards to the wood cannot be over looked as it has an important role in determining how the end product is going to sound. Will it sound better once it's aged for 100 years, you can't say, but one things for sure, you can't get something that will sound the same, without it having been aged too. So, no, you wont be able to make something identical to the way a Strad sounds - even other Strads wont sound the same as the climate they are kept in will affect things too.
Of course there is.
Btw:
MSRP of the Azur is ~$2800 in the US, not $2K.
The 532H clips at ~350W/8, has a toroidal per channel, 16 output devices per channel (afair), weighs almost twice as much as the 840W.
Problem in Europe is that the ML costs 4-4.5 times as much as the Azur 840W, due to the steep surcharges.
So regardless of sound and build quality, compared to the Cambridge, the ML doesn't stand a chance in Hell, value for money wise in the Pee-EUgh zone.
Oh dear 😱
Stefanoo you really are embarrassing yourself here.
Take the Revel Ultima Studio 2 @ $16,000
Revel Ultima Studio2 loudspeaker | Stereophile.com
And the KEF Reference 201/2 @ $6000
KEF Reference 201/2 loudspeaker Specifications | Stereophile.com
Both of them are three way, both of them use very high quality drive units, both of them are finished well and both are engineered to a very high standard.
Neither one is better then the other, just because it costs more. The KEF is cheaper mainly because it is a smaller loudspeaker, this doesn't mean it sounds worse then the Revel. They will no doubt sound different, but as Buzzforb said, which you prefer will be down to personal tastes and your listening room.
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