Hi BF,
Thanks for the info.
The questions I'd most like to know about are:
1. How far are you through sorting? (An indication like say having sorted all of the resistors and nothing else or whatever it is.)
2. When do you next have time to spend working on this, be realistic about how long the close out of this will take, the final stages of any project are always more challenging than you anticipate!
There are lots of orders that no longer require plugpacks (wallwarts just sounds stupid to me) I hope you wouldn't make everyone wait on the plugpacks if you're to start sending out packs of stuff prior to front panels.
Edit: I'm off now to take my wife to the Dr. In any case getting the balance of the gear sooner rather than later is my preference. I would still like the extras I've requested previously.
Thanks for the info.
The questions I'd most like to know about are:
1. How far are you through sorting? (An indication like say having sorted all of the resistors and nothing else or whatever it is.)
2. When do you next have time to spend working on this, be realistic about how long the close out of this will take, the final stages of any project are always more challenging than you anticipate!
There are lots of orders that no longer require plugpacks (wallwarts just sounds stupid to me) I hope you wouldn't make everyone wait on the plugpacks if you're to start sending out packs of stuff prior to front panels.
Edit: I'm off now to take my wife to the Dr. In any case getting the balance of the gear sooner rather than later is my preference. I would still like the extras I've requested previously.
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OK - first of all I just called RS and spoke to somebody indian... yeah. They told me that the item, despite saying 'in stock delivery within 6 days' even when I specifically checked for quantity required, is on backorder. Their Australian rep is going to call me back about it asap.
To answer for you:
1- hard to say exactly but it's pretty much reverse - i've sorted almost everything BUT the resistors.
2 - I'm planning to recruit some friends to come help me sort tomorrow. The show is still running but we perform evenings and I should have most of the working day tomorrow to spend on it.
(Yes wallwarts sounds stupid but some people don't understand plugpack and it's not a whole power supply so I can't call it that. I deal with americans a lot so it's just a habit!)
I'd prefer not have to go back and ship out plugpacks later but if that's what it comes down to then no problem. I may even be able to save some cost on shipping parts only that would then be usable on shipping the plugpacks.
Edit: gotta get back to work now but I'll pop in again before the show tonight.
To answer for you:
1- hard to say exactly but it's pretty much reverse - i've sorted almost everything BUT the resistors.
2 - I'm planning to recruit some friends to come help me sort tomorrow. The show is still running but we perform evenings and I should have most of the working day tomorrow to spend on it.
(Yes wallwarts sounds stupid but some people don't understand plugpack and it's not a whole power supply so I can't call it that. I deal with americans a lot so it's just a habit!)
I'd prefer not have to go back and ship out plugpacks later but if that's what it comes down to then no problem. I may even be able to save some cost on shipping parts only that would then be usable on shipping the plugpacks.
Edit: gotta get back to work now but I'll pop in again before the show tonight.
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BlueFusion, thank you for updating.
I'm confused about the machinist and the panels - are you saying he's waiting for a decision on machined vs lasercuts? You still haven't given us timelines. Regardless, shipping them separately seems like a reasonable way forward.
About the wallwarts, if they really are delayed then you should update us as soon as you have news. You could reassure us better by producing the RS email invoice for the order.
And you haven't replied about letting other members assist. I'm still favouring letting dontdiewondering take over the parts. Would you be open to this?
I'm confused about the machinist and the panels - are you saying he's waiting for a decision on machined vs lasercuts? You still haven't given us timelines. Regardless, shipping them separately seems like a reasonable way forward.
About the wallwarts, if they really are delayed then you should update us as soon as you have news. You could reassure us better by producing the RS email invoice for the order.
And you haven't replied about letting other members assist. I'm still favouring letting dontdiewondering take over the parts. Would you be open to this?
Without over complicating things, I would be happy to write off the machined panel and take what you have got now (well on Tuesday).
I would also be happy to post and organise the same for anyone else who looks at it the same as me - great work organising things and doing what you have already, but enough in enough.
There is no malice and I appreciate what you have done.
Cheers
I would also be happy to post and organise the same for anyone else who looks at it the same as me - great work organising things and doing what you have already, but enough in enough.
There is no malice and I appreciate what you have done.
Cheers
I posted about 110 replacement resistors to you yesterday in an Express bag. You should have received them today.
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Don't understand the point of the whole Indian tangent mate, doesn't make a difference. Just let those concerned know what the Australian rep says when they get back to you. Is there any particular reason why you asked everyone to confirm plugpacks with you by the 15th so you could order from RS on the 16th then waited another 11 days to put the order in? And didn't mention this till after we make a scene? You made 6 posts/updates in the thread in that time and didn't mention not having ordered the plugpacks. Do you see why people get frustrated, confused and concerned?
Hard to say exactly? Really? That is concerning. If you're part way through then I would hope that you're keeping track of what is done and what is still left to do. Otherwise when you come to the end how will you know that packs are complete? If you're going to get friends to help then I'd hope you have some idea of things still left to be done so that you can give them some guidance on what needs doing.
I certainly never suggested sending out packs without plugpacks. My point was simply that you now have a lot of orders that do not require the plugpacks. Finish them, get them sent. When the plug packs come then pack them into the remaining orders and shouldn't be a big deal to get them sent. No reason why packing/sorting of the other parts that you've had since 14th November can't continue.
With no ill intent, I would very much like dontdiewondering to pick up my parts, sort them and send them to me.
Since I am not waiting on plugpacks, I'm happy for you to simply send me the front panels in an envelope when they are ready (and I do want metal ones, thanks).
dontdiewondering:
Yep, I'd be grateful if you could take over my parts.
BlueFusion:
If they are ordered and expected in a timely fashion then this is okay, we can work out a shipping arrangement, maybe combine them with the panels. But if there's any uncertainty over their delivery then I'd prefer to get a refund and source them myself.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who'd like to see this kit before xmas, I think this is the best path forward.
Yep, I'd be grateful if you could take over my parts.
BlueFusion:
If they are ordered and expected in a timely fashion then this is okay, we can work out a shipping arrangement, maybe combine them with the panels. But if there's any uncertainty over their delivery then I'd prefer to get a refund and source them myself.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who'd like to see this kit before xmas, I think this is the best path forward.
I also prefer to receive the metal front panels as I have paid for them already and they are part of the enclosures.
BF, appreciate your update. I wish we don't need to make it this way to 'flush' you out. I understand you got a life, but please do understand we got a life too. If you were in my position what would you do?
Looks like you didn't make it back before the show. [Or some kind of really late night show? 😀]
I've asked the question below in PM earlier, but I have decided that I would like the question answered here though.
I've got one more question regarding the finances spreadsheet that you sent out on 27th November. How are you tracking the orders for items that were left over? You have a tally of the spares that you have. But nothing against who has committed to taking them. How will you know when they're all sold. Or worse, oversold. In the line tallying up spares you have one more front panel spare than enclosure
It looks as though this has come about from the line regarding fordgtlover's order, that was canceled and then revived. He is down for an enclosure and 1 pcb only but not a front panel? Something screwy going on in the spreadsheet there anyway.It would be nice to hear from you why fordgtlover has his package sent a week ago but you are unable to send the other packages?
A GB taking over 4 months. I would be very sorry for everyone participate. If I were you, I will sort everything and send them asap. For the unfinished front panel, send them later in a envelope. Come on BF, put it together, we all do have life, and I really not enjoy to log in everyday to say something like this and waiting what I have already paid for.
Unfortunately the RS rep didn't call me back today - we'll see how tomorrow goes.
I've got some further info from my machinist for you all.
To clarify - the only idea behind non-metal panels was getting it done quicker however I don't think that will be an issue anymore. However he did run up some demos on the laser cutter while fiddling with tooling for the panels.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18030449/O2%20panels/Panels%202.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18030449/O2 panels/Panels 1.jpg
And a demo of a laser etch (pre-CNC drilled).
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18030449/O2 panels/Laser text.jpg
The spreadsheet I made available had all personal info and a lot of miscellaneous clutter removed. My copy is where I'm keeping everything important. I do need to re-tally spares and where they're going and I will post the results from that as soon as I have them.
Still awaiting news from RS to decide what to do about the wallwarts but I will endeavour to ship what I can ASAP. Sounds like shipping panels later is a go anyhow. 🙂
(And no, I didn't get back before the show - my stage manager wanted me for equipment checks before the hour call.)
Also - fordgtlover - I did get the resistors today but to clarify I wasn't at home when posting earlier.
I've gotta get some sleep - got help with kit packaging tomorrow then show in evening. I'll let you know again how it goes after, but probably late (after the show).
One more point (probably pointless saying it, but meh) - I do apologize to you all put out by this. My original intent with the GB was simply to meet the minimum order from Mouser - I had no idea there was ever this level of interest. At the time I also didn't know I would be otherwise occupied to such a great degree during the GB period.
At this point I'm doing my best to get your stuff on time. If I can, I'll throw in something extra for you all. In return - I'm really counting on all the spares being sold off when stuff ships 🙂
I've got some further info from my machinist for you all.
To clarify - the only idea behind non-metal panels was getting it done quicker however I don't think that will be an issue anymore. However he did run up some demos on the laser cutter while fiddling with tooling for the panels.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18030449/O2%20panels/Panels%202.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18030449/O2 panels/Panels 1.jpg
And a demo of a laser etch (pre-CNC drilled).
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18030449/O2 panels/Laser text.jpg
The spreadsheet I made available had all personal info and a lot of miscellaneous clutter removed. My copy is where I'm keeping everything important. I do need to re-tally spares and where they're going and I will post the results from that as soon as I have them.
Still awaiting news from RS to decide what to do about the wallwarts but I will endeavour to ship what I can ASAP. Sounds like shipping panels later is a go anyhow. 🙂
(And no, I didn't get back before the show - my stage manager wanted me for equipment checks before the hour call.)
Also - fordgtlover - I did get the resistors today but to clarify I wasn't at home when posting earlier.
I've gotta get some sleep - got help with kit packaging tomorrow then show in evening. I'll let you know again how it goes after, but probably late (after the show).
One more point (probably pointless saying it, but meh) - I do apologize to you all put out by this. My original intent with the GB was simply to meet the minimum order from Mouser - I had no idea there was ever this level of interest. At the time I also didn't know I would be otherwise occupied to such a great degree during the GB period.
At this point I'm doing my best to get your stuff on time. If I can, I'll throw in something extra for you all. In return - I'm really counting on all the spares being sold off when stuff ships 🙂
G'day BF, I am not part of his GB, and I do not wish to ask you anything that might distract you from finalising fulfillment of the current orders.
When you have some headroom, i would be very interested in a couple of the laser cut front panels. One in wood and one clear acrylic posted to Canberra.
But as I said, one the GB is over.
Cheers and good luck.
Tony
When you have some headroom, i would be very interested in a couple of the laser cut front panels. One in wood and one clear acrylic posted to Canberra.
But as I said, one the GB is over.
Cheers and good luck.
Tony
Thanks for the update. For what its worth I do appreciate the size of the task that you've undertaken! It is certainly no simple task for organisation of the number of parts and changing orders.
Please continue to keep us in the loop of how things are going.
By sending out packs of parts now you'll actually be able to start selling off the spares much sooner. If finances to finalise the GB are one of your concerns, this works in everyone's favour. I am committed for extras as communicated previously.
Those panel's do look quite good. I've always liked the look of laser etched wood. For this project I'd rather metal panel though to match enclosure. Quite an array of choices there though! On that note, will the laser etching of the + underneath 'Power' writing be in the final panels? 😕 Is that on one of the boxenclosure panels or a spare metal piece? Now that you're able to ask machinist to procede on metal panels, can you advise a timeline? Surely he knows when he will have time to look at these and knowing how long each will take to give some indication.
You are correct, it's pointless to discuss at this point how we got here. You mentioned once, very early, in the main O2 thread that you were trying to reach a minimum order from Mouser, after that you started this thread and took a more the merrier approach and then continued to extend the deadline for the GB to get even more on board. You at no point tried to limit to a manageable level. Then, things got busy for you and you only advise us weeks after, never advance warning. We all understand the challenges that life can throw up, we've likely all been on the receiving end too, honesty and communication would have saved many of the problems you've created.
I've been mostly concerned by the amount of time between when you have things organised, when you say you will place orders and when the orders have really been placed and the lack of communication around these times. This happening so consistently is exactly what gives the impression that moneys collected by you for this GB have been misappropriated.
In fact there are now documented evidence, in this thread, that you have lied to us about having placed orders. Late October all of your posts indicated that parts were ordered. From what we know now, all that had been ordered was some postage satchels and the pcbs. In fact, Mouser order was placed 4/11, e14 order was placed 4/11, rs order was placed 28/11. My patience is running quite thin now. I don't mind that things take time, I do mind about being continually lied to.
Please make whatever effort possible to make this right. You've had offers of assistance from a number of us, I'd certainly rather be helping than sitting here typing this. Why keep ignoring these offers?
Thanks for the update BF.
There is only one thing that will put my mind to peace at this stage: will you let dontdiewondering pick up the components for orders for whoever has indicated is interested in his offered help?
I want to believe you man, but 4 months' evidence show that maybe it's better to let some one else help or we won't see these orders before easter...
There is only one thing that will put my mind to peace at this stage: will you let dontdiewondering pick up the components for orders for whoever has indicated is interested in his offered help?
I want to believe you man, but 4 months' evidence show that maybe it's better to let some one else help or we won't see these orders before easter...
In a previous post I noted 2 deficiencies in the kits. The first being the now resolved resistor issue, and the second being that my kit was missing DIP sockets.
fordgtlover - if you want em I'll throw some DIP sockets in with your panels when they go out.
I'll talk further with dontdiewondering about his offer. As I said, doing everything to get these orders out to you all! 🙂
I'll talk further with dontdiewondering about his offer. As I said, doing everything to get these orders out to you all! 🙂
Cheers, BF. I already had some so I don't need them.
I wanted to make sure that they will be included with other kits.
Hey BF did you get my text message? If you're happy the plan will be to pick up the kits for the people who want it now and post them out. So far only a few people are interested and I'll post a list Sunday night, with a final one Monday night before picking them up Tuesday.
Cheers
Cheers
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