Thanks for the response from both of you, now I will see if I can use MJK alignment tables and play around with the MLTL enclosure.
Just to point out, Martin's (excellent) alignment tables are for classic TLs rather than mass-loaded pipes, unless you class reverse-taper pipes as being inherently mass-loaded.
I have ordered the Seas drivers and will build the enclosures as modeled by Scottmoose at the first of the post. My question is on enclosure bracing, it appears to me that extensive bracing is not required. But if you look at the Pensil design it is quite extensive. Having built Zaph wave quide and ZA5.5 speakers simple cross bracing should be sufficient. Plan on using BB plywood with solid wood stills. Thanks
I'd certainly be bracing panels that wide.
Something like this would be a minimum. Cross-bracing with dowels or the such is not nearly as effective.
dave
Something like this would be a minimum. Cross-bracing with dowels or the such is not nearly as effective.
dave
Yes, I would either brace the crap out of it, or build it from
1/4" birch with no bracing at all.
Both will be interesting.
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1/4" birch with no bracing at all.
Both will be interesting.
😎
Hi
the german magazin Klang+Ton showes a project with the Seas FR
in the current issue 2/2011:
http://www.klangundton.de/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/kt211_220.jpg
lower right on the titel page.
Hight: about 1,15 meters
Triangel front / sides: 40cm
Seems to work fine.
I have heard some "live" enclosures that sounded pretty
good. Conversely, I have heard a few "dead" boxes
that did not.
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Klang+Ton click on "breezer"
technical data:
- Impedance: 8 Ohm
- Sensitivity (2.83V, 1m): 93 dB
- Dimensions (HxWxD): 1180 x 470 x 412 mm
- Frequency range (-8dB): 55 - 18000 Hz
- Crossover (s): Hz
- Principle: transmission line
Breezer is a design by Holger Barske and Christian Gather. The goal: come up with simple means to an excellent result and to create something unusual.
For this, the full range Seas FA22RCZ in a housing was used with a triangular floor plan. Another inspiration came from the classic "Voice of the Theatre", which has a large hole near the bottom. This would reproduce the editors. This results in an open bottom box.
It consists of a trap and an impedance correction for valve amps.
A section of the Klang + Ton hearing test
..."The sound and in terms of cleanliness, he goes in the direction of a closed case, but it sounds the same time not so" locked up "if you know what I mean. He's just real. Round, clean, but not too dry. The heights can be as I said very simply by angles to the listening position. optimally at 10 degrees Tonal Breeze is not without shortcomings, but you can forgive her in the face of incredible talent for playing women's voices very much if you have zeroed in after 10 minutes on this box. and sparingly accompanied women are your thing, you just want to hear anything else This direct coupling between the amplifier and chassis, no absorbing insulation, no-damping case -.. that you hear just "...
Kit with high-end crossover
* Mundorf MKP capacitor 8.2 uF / 250 V
* Mundorf MCAP-Supreme 6.80 uF / 800 V
* Mundorf 1,0 mm air coil 0.56 mH / 0.36 Ohms
* Mundorf foil coil cfc16 0, 47mH / 0,22 Ohm
*MOX10 resistor 12 Ohm/10Watt (brown-red-black)
*MOX10 resistor 15 Ohm/10Watt (brown-green-black)
technical data:
- Impedance: 8 Ohm
- Sensitivity (2.83V, 1m): 93 dB
- Dimensions (HxWxD): 1180 x 470 x 412 mm
- Frequency range (-8dB): 55 - 18000 Hz
- Crossover (s): Hz
- Principle: transmission line
Breezer is a design by Holger Barske and Christian Gather. The goal: come up with simple means to an excellent result and to create something unusual.
For this, the full range Seas FA22RCZ in a housing was used with a triangular floor plan. Another inspiration came from the classic "Voice of the Theatre", which has a large hole near the bottom. This would reproduce the editors. This results in an open bottom box.
It consists of a trap and an impedance correction for valve amps.
A section of the Klang + Ton hearing test
..."The sound and in terms of cleanliness, he goes in the direction of a closed case, but it sounds the same time not so" locked up "if you know what I mean. He's just real. Round, clean, but not too dry. The heights can be as I said very simply by angles to the listening position. optimally at 10 degrees Tonal Breeze is not without shortcomings, but you can forgive her in the face of incredible talent for playing women's voices very much if you have zeroed in after 10 minutes on this box. and sparingly accompanied women are your thing, you just want to hear anything else This direct coupling between the amplifier and chassis, no absorbing insulation, no-damping case -.. that you hear just "...
Kit with high-end crossover
* Mundorf MKP capacitor 8.2 uF / 250 V
* Mundorf MCAP-Supreme 6.80 uF / 800 V
* Mundorf 1,0 mm air coil 0.56 mH / 0.36 Ohms
* Mundorf foil coil cfc16 0, 47mH / 0,22 Ohm
*MOX10 resistor 12 Ohm/10Watt (brown-red-black)
*MOX10 resistor 15 Ohm/10Watt (brown-green-black)
as usual - tricky way to tell that all roads are leading to Rome ....... but some roads are trickier than others
who is Holger Barske ?
I notice full range guys use fiberglass or poly for linning the enclosure sides, has any one used acoustic foam or sonic barrier for the linning (not stuffing). I have had good results using these products for bass reflex type enclosures. I can go either way just curious.
Thanks
Thanks
Actually many of us use cotton or wool felt. I'm not a big fan of acoustic foam. And one has to question whether sonic barrier is an acoustic damping material at all.
dave
dave
I smoothed the response of the new SEAS wideband by coating the wizzer cone plus LCR trap. I got it flat to plus-minus 3dB on the design axis. We played the Breezer against my speaker ( i just call it "Oneway") at the Frickelfest Light Party on the weekend at the Klang & Ton headquarters and people where pleased about the diffence.
The litle dome inside the wizzer was treated with a polymer to make it stiffer. The wizzer itself was treated with a natural resin that is somewhat softer. The LCR trap was 8.8 Ohm, 0.77mH and 3.2uF.
very intresting...
Hello,
this speakers are very intresting...
I think I have to order a pair of them 🙂
@Joern: The rsult of your sim. (Seas in Axix enclosure), please could you tell us a few words of the result (sorry..I´m not the specialist for reading diagrams...)
@ Gerhard: In your session at K&T did you only take the BREEZE, or was there further enclosures?
thanks a lot.
regards from Wolfsburg
Karsten
Hello,
this speakers are very intresting...
I think I have to order a pair of them 🙂
@Joern: The rsult of your sim. (Seas in Axix enclosure), please could you tell us a few words of the result (sorry..I´m not the specialist for reading diagrams...)
@ Gerhard: In your session at K&T did you only take the BREEZE, or was there further enclosures?
thanks a lot.
regards from Wolfsburg
Karsten
Karsten, the unmodified SEAS was in the Breeze and my modified SEAS was in a multichamber reflex box i am currently working on. On HBs website you can see some pictures.