yeah right...
Obviously, your reading and interpretation skills need improving...the 1st 50 pages are a review of statistics..then comes experimentasl design... I suggested that BECAUSE most of the subjective drivel in this thread has little merit beyond the beliefs of the posters... cite one cable test that definitively proves expensive designer cables and/or exotic designs and styles DO make a difference... the balls in your court, not mine...
GIGO? A quick scan of the first 50 pages of that title on Google Books suggests its focus is data analysis. Grind all the numbers you want, if the acquisition process is flawed the ony thing you'll get from it is comfort.
Cite cable tests you feel fully meet proper criteria. Why is it those incessantly banging the objectivity shoe on the podium never step up to the plate when asked for the most trivial of scientific supporting evidence: measurements vs. audibility thresholds or proper citations? Is a 30+ year old audio club demo the best you have?
Obviously, your reading and interpretation skills need improving...the 1st 50 pages are a review of statistics..then comes experimentasl design... I suggested that BECAUSE most of the subjective drivel in this thread has little merit beyond the beliefs of the posters... cite one cable test that definitively proves expensive designer cables and/or exotic designs and styles DO make a difference... the balls in your court, not mine...
Since you quoted my post, what makes you think I don't? Your post seems to imply I don't listen to music.... far from true... I just don't obsess about minutiae and unproven subjective drivel...😱
Yes,I quoted your post.From my reply to your post,where did you see it implies you don't listen to music?😕
Obviously, your reading and interpretation skills need improving...the 1st 50 pages are a review of statistics..then comes experimentasl design.......
I hope the rest of your experimental observations are better, the Google Books preview ends at 50 pages.
give it a rest
Why are you even posting this reply? Are you simply a contrary type person? I have the book in front of me, from 1981. Has 348 pages... Google preview😀😀😀... gimme a break.
Buy the book... maybe you'll see the light... but I kinda doubt it...
I hope the rest of your experimental observations are better, the Google Books preview ends at 50 pages.
Why are you even posting this reply? Are you simply a contrary type person? I have the book in front of me, from 1981. Has 348 pages... Google preview😀😀😀... gimme a break.
Buy the book... maybe you'll see the light... but I kinda doubt it...
Key. Thru wot cables?
lol I don't know what are on the internals - they've been know to use Monster 😱 But the ICs to the active monitors are some no name 1/4" TRS to XLRs I bought from Sam Ash with Neutrik Connectors. And all 4 are a different length - double 😱. My system must sound like poop huh?

I understand. The Preview went from page 50 to 400. From that even a 'believer' was able to deduce it had more than 50 pages.
I replied to this:
A page and a half back, remember? Your post focused on data analysis. The larger GIGO point still stands, and still stands avoided. No worries, I've asked the same questions for 15 years and wasn't really expecting any different answer.
I replied to this:
We should be discussing alpha and beta error, confidence intervals, confounded trial design criteria, etc....
A page and a half back, remember? Your post focused on data analysis. The larger GIGO point still stands, and still stands avoided. No worries, I've asked the same questions for 15 years and wasn't really expecting any different answer.
LOL, if you say so. 😀.... My system must sound like poop huh?lol
Hello Jacob2.
This is how the test was performed that SY's speaking of...
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3a) The same song, Steely Dan's Aja, was always used. I find this song to be invaluable, especially if I'm attempting to discriminate between two ICs I might be having difficulty with. When this happens I'll listen specifically to when the drummer stops his solo and hits his drumsticks together (4:56-4:57) into the song. I've found transients are often where ICs sound uniquely different and the striking of these drumsticks often helps me to deteremine if the IC has been changed or not!
~Rational Subjectivism. It's An Acquired Taste!~
This sounds uniquely unfun to me. It is difficult for me to envision listening for a high resolution artifact entering into a preference decision for listening to a broad range of music for enjoyment. In fact it borders on an objective measurment technique or worse fooling the ABX with its switch clicks.
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jakop, the ABX is the most popular and i did not want to go into further detail.
Play your system to me and i can tell you if i like it. As i said before i have outgrown of that kind of tests a long time ago. For example look what the Boston Audio Society put into the AES magazine. A chain of AD/DA converter with 16Bit/44kHz sampling was indistingquishable from a straight wire bypass !
Now comes the rub ! Have you seen the picture what speaker they use and how the where placed ! I really got a shock ! 20 years of work done by me thrown in the waiste bin. I simply think that soudquality of that system was poor as always in "Scietific Tests".
Play your system to me and i can tell you if i like it. As i said before i have outgrown of that kind of tests a long time ago. For example look what the Boston Audio Society put into the AES magazine. A chain of AD/DA converter with 16Bit/44kHz sampling was indistingquishable from a straight wire bypass !
Now comes the rub ! Have you seen the picture what speaker they use and how the where placed ! I really got a shock ! 20 years of work done by me thrown in the waiste bin. I simply think that soudquality of that system was poor as always in "Scietific Tests".
That's terrible. There's too much money/politics in audio I think, they just design tests to fail. There's something wrong when you can get high resolution sound in most movies, but still main stream music companies are dragging there feet and riding the MP3 juggernaut.
The way I look at it is this. Even though in theory 44.1 16-bit is a "uncompressed" format in practice it is used as a lossy format in terms of CD-DA. To me the whole thing about me not being able to hear it is cool and all but I would just rather have something that is technically closer to the master recording and less messed with. There aren't many Engineers that will go straight to 44.1 from analog and there are even less that would mix that way directly in digital. 44.1 imo is just too close of a nyquist frequency to what we can demonstratively hear and 24-bit is a no-brainer since this seems to be the point where digital actually starts benchmarking better than hi end analog. So I am for hi res because I can take the hard drive and bandwidth hit just to get a little bit closer to the original.
LOL, if you say so. 😀
Wow they actually have specs on these things I think haha.
Horizon XLR Male to 1/4" TRS Audio Cable (Assorted Lengths)
In studio applications that require a balanced cable, these handmade ultra quiet cables set the standard. These cables are custom made for us using Neutrik and Switch Craft connectors.
Conductors (2) 24 Gauge Silver
Shield Pure Copper Spiral
Shield Coverage 95%
Jacket Matte PVC
O.D. 0.210"
Capacitance 37 pf/ft. @ 1 kHz
Resistance 23 ohm @ 20C / 1000'
I think I have 1 3ft, 1 6 ft, 1 10 ft and 1 15ft cable. Should I have matched them looking back in retrospect?

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I have a band and the producer told me that they do not want the public to listen to the sound of the mastertape because that is their mental inheritance
Edited by Key: cause that was just mean of me lol.
Anyway I guess I can understand that in a weird capitalistic sort of way. But er don't you want the public to just hear it the best it can be? Or the way it's supposed to be?
Anyway I guess I can understand that in a weird capitalistic sort of way. But er don't you want the public to just hear it the best it can be? Or the way it's supposed to be?
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In my book the musicians "own" the sound but that is old fashioned
Eh I am a mystic I think the sound has a life of it's own and wants to live and change. But I'm a weirdo like that.
yes, human beeings are only the channel of the universal message and it that sense nobody "owns" the sound, what i wanted to say is the the crator is often put in a week position in modern society because we still life in the stone age.
But do we really "create" music? Like conjure it up from nowhere? Or do we just find patterns? I have written a lot of music and I honestly can't tell where originality begins and ends at this point in the game.
Maybe some of my stuff uses unique chord progressions and harmonies or something (hard to be sure) but do I really own them once I play them in public?
Maybe some of my stuff uses unique chord progressions and harmonies or something (hard to be sure) but do I really own them once I play them in public?
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