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Old 1st March 2004, 02:39 AM   #11
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Hummm perhaps we should have a seperate thread for opinions on IP, Copyright infingement and outright Piracy.

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Old 1st March 2004, 02:45 AM   #12
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Naah, not really.

I just wanted to point out that Aleph-X builders should not support those criminals, and in particular not without knowing it.

I suppose this is actually the place for a comment like that, since its as far as im concerned only Aleph-X thats been turned into a "kit".


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Old 1st March 2004, 03:46 AM   #13
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Magura, I appreciate your viewpoint, and even more the
icon you have chosen for your personna. Please don't
change either.

I will say it again: If DIYZone is making these available without
profit, or in the case of group buy without profit, I don't have
objections. I believe that such efforts benefit the audio industry
overall, I believe some of it will come back to me anyways. Money
left over from group buys is best donated to this site.

I don't know that DIYZone is making a profit, and if I understand
the price of a complete kit to be $600, they are not making much.

I do know that my sales continue to increase, and that my
pocketbook has yet to complain, but that's the same as it ever
was. I've been getting ripped since 1975, and I'm looking
forward to my 30th getting ripped anniversary

/pass/: always looking for double entendre...

I can't say that about a lot of my competition, and in fact
I worry about them as much as myself - In a town with only
one lawyer, that lawyer starves.
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Old 1st March 2004, 04:36 AM   #14
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Henry

Americans sure have a generally biased viewpoint of the world situation (about half of the people im among on everyday basis are either american or british), so does the britts for that kind of matter, but the issue of chineese ripoffs is though real. Denmark lives on design in many ways, and i have personally seen stuff made in taiwan or china that is patented in denmark. The only sanction a danish company is able to do to such a ripoff (even with patent and so forth) is usually to block the import to denmark (the commercial part, not private import), they can mostly even block the import to EU....but thats where it ends.

So, considering that i know a few cases of such "ripoffs" that have caused huge loss to the rightfull owners of the patents....id be carefull defending violation of patent rights with a phrase like "only half of whats on the black market is made in taiwan or china" and that some dont violate patent rights.

What is happening in china, taiwan, india and a few places in eastern europe as well (im sure there are others as well) is highly unacceptable, and should not be defended in any way.

When people start making PCB's for a patented product, they are as far as im concerned already on the wrong side of whats good. Pass have chosen to tolerate such buisness, though i sometimes wonder why. When people start making kits for a patented product, they have clearly crossed the line. Such low life should have a couple of lawayers on the neck.

hmm...i gotta stop before i blow up. This is simply too far out.

Magura


Magura,

I must made myself clear I am not a supporter of pirated anything. In fact, I have always buy genuine (but my pocket book hurts quite a bit). As an engineer, I understand the importance of intellectual property. I fully agree with youy view point as to the infringer to the IP rights must be prosecuted. In my opinion, Mr Pass (and Grey Rollins as well) has been the most generous person in sharing his ideas with everyone, As I said earlier, I participated in the Chad group purchase of the Aleph X PCB and I have enjoyed the result.

What I was trying to point out was the fact that in a commercial world, supply and demand are complementary. There are 50% customer of pirated software being non-Asian implied the market is international. The market is driven by the internalion demand! I am not saying only half the black market is Chinese and therefore it is OK to do so. It is still plainly wrong to participate! We must all face the fact everyone must take an effort here to rectify the situation.

I would also like to emphasis I am not defending the case, but I am trying to point out some facts for everyone's benefit, as I understand not too many from this forum has a opportunity to read the story in full.

The software these days are quite expensive that for example, I would not be able to have a PCB layout software that is affordable for me to design PCB larger than 100mmX100mm! I can then only either jump on the group purchase bandwagon, or hope that some nice guys would have a similar PCB somewhere.

I would also like to raise a question for discussion: What about the use of office software for your DIY hobby? Is there a violation of the rights of the designer of the property?

Please excuse me if I have fuelled more to your flames on this subject.

PS: correction, the ripoff actions do not just come from Chinese (although it is a common believe), but also the SE Asian as well, e.g. look at the Polo shirt counterfeits in Bangkok (excuse me Chaps in Thailand).

PPS: the kits from DIYZONE are also a group purchase, for one time only, as far as I understand (maybe it is still unlawful to do so).

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Old 1st March 2004, 06:58 AM   #15
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how about the fallowing link:
http://web.vip.hr/pcb-design.vip/

people not Chinese also make illegal copies
This shows Mr Nelson Pass Design are wellcomed in
western countries also
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Old 1st March 2004, 07:11 AM   #16
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diyzone kits sold for nt 15000,about us 450
not us 600 as mention by Mr Nelson Pass.
they buy 10000pcs IR Irf240, match to .01v
use eight 105'c 22000u rifa cap per 2 channel
fully tailored made metal cases,etc
do you think they are for money or for fun
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Old 1st March 2004, 10:01 AM   #17
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diyzone kits sold for nt 15000,about us 450
not us 600 as mention by Mr Nelson Pass.
they buy 10000pcs IR Irf240, match to .01v
use eight 105'c 22000u rifa cap per 2 channel
fully tailored made metal cases,etc
do you think they are for money or for fun
Do you know DIY ZONE plainly copy more than 450 pairs of ProAc response 2.5 and force the ProAc distributor Taiwan to make some statements in audio journal?

DIY ZONE not just COPY ProAc Response 2.5, but Response one SC and maybe Response 3.8 are also on the way right now.

Someone advised DIY ZONE owner LIMIN WU it is immoral to "clone/copy" well-known designs, but he just said: "We are talking about "BUSINESS" without any emotion" You may ask someone to check what he spoke for all people on the diyaudio.

I know the speaker units suppliers SEAS, Scan-Speak and manufacturer ProAc are also watching. Let's wait and see what's going on!
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Old 1st March 2004, 02:31 PM   #18
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Kristijan (PCB-Design) only sells PCB's... not entire kits.
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Old 1st March 2004, 03:10 PM   #19
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Kristijan (PCB-Design) only sells PCB's... not entire kits.

If he is making a profit, and im quite sure he is....its still illeagal.

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Old 1st March 2004, 03:11 PM   #20
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Intellectual property is a term that doesn't exist in asian nomenclature.
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I just wanted to point out that Aleph-X builders should not support those criminals,
Well, first of all, I would like to apologize for creating this messy "religious" war un-intentionally, as I am a DIYer and an IP supporter! I would paritcularly wanted to apologize to Nelson Pass and Grey Rollins for this mess I have posted earlier. I made my BZLS and Aleph-5 from Nelson's unselfishly sharing and I got 4 boards from Grey and hifizen's group project. I am an Asian American and I found out the two quotes above quite offending! I refused to use pirated software since I have my first PC in 1988 and I still hold this as of today! I also cherish the American value that until proven guilty, we "do not" judge by our own opinion and/or narrowtive mind! (we can say our opinion, but not judge it!)

Since I am the person who created the problem, can I ask everyone to focus on how we can do it better, to enforce this DIY idea and uphold the IP and rights and not attacking one another senselessly?

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