I don't believe cables make a difference, any input?

[analog_sa]

Originally posted by tc-60guy
should we not measure the acoustic output from the speaker

This would reduce the resolution and sensitivity of measurement by many orders of magnitude. And why concentrate on speaker cables anyway? Interconnects and power cables are not less audible.

I am curious: does any of the anti-cable crusaders hear a difference between similarly measuring, non-overdriven amps? Preamps? CD players? Passive components? If not, why the obsession with cables?

[soongsc]

I can't believe there are still so many people debating this.
Calbes that are designed for specific impedance matching situations in mind will imrpove the sound when the actual situation closly matches the characteristics of the cable.

[nunayafb]

Originally posted by analog_sa



This would reduce the resolution and sensitivity of measurement by many orders of magnitude. And why concentrate on speaker cables anyway? Interconnects and power cables are not less audible.

I am curious: does any of the anti-cable crusaders hear a difference between similarly measuring, non-overdriven amps? Preamps? CD players? Passive components? If not, why the obsession with cables?

Good lord, do we need to refresh everyones memories as to what is being discussed:

I don't beleive cables make a difference, any input?

^Title of the original post in case you were wondering

And we'll gladly discuss those components, start a thread and we'll run it up to 50 pages by about mid July

[SY]

Interconnects and power cables are not less audible.

A point of agreement! Just as with speaker cables, differences CAN sometimes be heard, and always for a simple, non-mystical reason.

[ShinOBIWAN]

Audio Kraut:

Your post and the related replies have been moved to Texas.

Circumventing the swear filter is frowned upon, especially with strong profanity. Even when the debate is heated, its always possible to put across your case without resorting to gutter talk. Keep this in mind for future posts please.

[fizzard]

Originally posted by analog_sa
I am curious: does any of the anti-cable crusaders hear a difference between similarly measuring, non-overdriven amps? Preamps? CD players? Passive components? If not, why the obsession with cables?

Yes, I can hear the difference. I've never tried the same amp with two different sets of passives. I have a Bryston 2B ST that I'm not about to tear into, and a chip amp that I don't care to rebuild. I can even hear the difference between the two channels on my Bryston if I switch the input and output cables around.

As an "anti-cable crusader" I find it's more appropriate to say that I do not have an obsession with cables. I can't hear the difference, unless it's between say 22ga and 16ga. I have mandatory hearing checks regularly at work, even though I almost never go out to the plants, and use my ear plugs when I do, and I've always tested perfect within the normal 15dB day-to-day variation in threshold, never testing worse the 10dB.

I will gladly believe there's a difference when two cables with series resistance matched to within say 10%, total resistance less than say 0.1 Ohm, and capacitance and inductance per unit length matched to within say 10%, and length less than say 10m are sucessfully differentiated in a credible blind test. I think most objectivists feel this way. We're open minded, it's just that we've been waiting like three decades for one simple test.

[analog_sa]

Originally posted by fizzard



As an "anti-cable crusader" I find it's more appropriate to say that I do not have an obsession with cables.

Thanks for the answer. I was really curuous.

Regarding "obsession with cables" it may seem strange but i don't recall any poster here who has revealed such an affliction.

[planet10]

Originally posted by Bonsai
Notice how some folk claim the DBT is not valid when it comes to equipment assessment . . . . .

My objection is much narrower than that. I question the validity of ABX -- often used synonomously with DBT when in fact it is just a specific instance.

dave

[soongsc]

I think there are other factors that influence sound more significantly once you have cables that perform reasonably well.

[auplater]

Originally posted by planet10


My objection is much narrower than that. I question the validity of ABX -- often used synonomously with DBT when in fact it is just a specific instance.

dave

Wonderful!! A cable thread morphing into a subjective/objective DBT/ABX/ proselytization...

HOW COOL IS THAT???

John L.