Andre Visser,if you wouldn't mind,could you please e-mail me at
kontemeniotis@cytanet.com.cy
I'd like to ask you something
Thanks,Panikos
kontemeniotis@cytanet.com.cy
I'd like to ask you something
Thanks,Panikos
Andre Visser said:
If Jan had anything to do with it, I guess they all sounded the same.
I was under the impression that English was your first language; if I am mistaken, my apologies. "Significant" means that there was a demonstrable audible difference. I do not know the translation into Afrikaans, perhaps one of the Dutch or other SA guys could help?
Jan is a first rate designer who actually does novel and interesting work, rather than obsessing over trivial (but hard to screw up) matters like power cords, magic hockey pucks, and photographs in the freezer. I used to read his Audio Amateur articles when I was a kid.
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I've done quite a bit of experimenting with chassis and p-p, PCB etc and it's incredibly over rated.
Oh, bollocks. He simply heard what he saw and believed he was hearing. The language used was all about how harsh and old SS sounding it was.analog_sa said:
I've done quite a bit of experimenting with chassis and p-p, PCB etc and it's incredibly over rated.
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If you eat something and you like it and you are told it is pork while it is lamb,will you change your mind?Your friend liked what he heard.You could have told him it was a solid state too.He seems to trust you,but I wonder who fooled whom
Brett said:
If you eat something and you like it and you are told it is pork while it is lamb,will you change your mind?Your friend liked what he heard.You could have told him it was a solid state too.He seems to trust you,but I wonder who fooled whom
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If at this stage in my life I can't tell pork from lamb there is something wrong. Ditto with the experienced audiophile who swears they can hear massive differences between components/cables etc and how some of the 'bad' ones 'destroy' the system, yet when presented with gross differences, CAN'T hear them but choose to describe the generally attributed sonic qualities of what they SEE.Panicos K said:
When I did my RCA DBT here I was very cocky and thought it would be easy. I used some compressed pop music, and gave myself about 10 seconds with each listen. I thought that the differences I had heard were so blindingly obvious that I didn't need to use well recorded piano, high volume female choirs in cathedrals, intimate soundstage jazz etc.
However, though I call it a success (for the believers), it was ruddy hard, and perhaps you could argue so hard that it was actually a success for the unbelievers. The result was barely statistically significant, one more error would have made it not significant - hardly the overwhelming result I was expecting. Took a rather long evening to do as well, and I paid my kid for giving me her time.
So ... I'm an agnostic currently. There are HUGE psychological goings on here, and I learned that. More recently I cut my JPS labs cables to create two shorter sets of cables. Guess what - their construction and materials look pretty ordinary. I've got Joe's word for it that there's some aluminium alloyed into these wires, and TNT's word for it that they sound good, and my own ears concurred and got rid of the Kimber - but they look ... well, I'm sure he's right, he seems an honest enough guy.
It is enough that I simply bought a new set of D102IIIs for the Squeezebox, no urge to spend more, or even to experiment. I still think there's something in it all - but boy it's hard to pin down.
Russ Andrews advertising mag arrived today - including a couple of 2-page spreads where they inject RFI into a Lab power supply, and test power cords. They've published graphs and all. Fairly large pinch of salt required - but they are obviously responding to the growing cries of "snake oil" which are prompted by their entire product lines!
However, though I call it a success (for the believers), it was ruddy hard, and perhaps you could argue so hard that it was actually a success for the unbelievers. The result was barely statistically significant, one more error would have made it not significant - hardly the overwhelming result I was expecting. Took a rather long evening to do as well, and I paid my kid for giving me her time.
So ... I'm an agnostic currently. There are HUGE psychological goings on here, and I learned that. More recently I cut my JPS labs cables to create two shorter sets of cables. Guess what - their construction and materials look pretty ordinary. I've got Joe's word for it that there's some aluminium alloyed into these wires, and TNT's word for it that they sound good, and my own ears concurred and got rid of the Kimber - but they look ... well, I'm sure he's right, he seems an honest enough guy.
It is enough that I simply bought a new set of D102IIIs for the Squeezebox, no urge to spend more, or even to experiment. I still think there's something in it all - but boy it's hard to pin down.
Russ Andrews advertising mag arrived today - including a couple of 2-page spreads where they inject RFI into a Lab power supply, and test power cords. They've published graphs and all. Fairly large pinch of salt required - but they are obviously responding to the growing cries of "snake oil" which are prompted by their entire product lines!
SY said:
No I'm only trying to speak English. To my understanding "significant" could describe an outcome either way.
SY said:
The remark about Jan was actually ment as a joke, therefore the three smileys.
I have exchanged a some viewpoints with Jan and are quite aware of his beliefs and capabilities.
Allan, a similar experience for me drew a different result. After switching repeatedly back and forth between clearly audible differences in a sighted test the delta eventually shrunk to zero. I could no longer tell A from B. However in this case A was an Aphex Compellor being set up for insertion into an FM broadcast chain and running about 10 dB of gain riding/compression, the reference B a bypass. Repeated and concentrated switching back and forth eventually obliterated the differences. Maybe it was the wrong conclusion but I came away with a changed opinion on the test protocol rather than a belief an Aphex running 10 dB is audibly perfect.
Andre Visser said:
There we differ - you could say I was confident enough to tie my hands, for while I thought that differences might be more noticeable with piano / jazz, the differences I (thought I) heard affected every sound coming out of my speakers, and a cymbal hit in a pop record would be just as revealing as a cymbal hit in a jazz recording.
And I wonder - acoustic instruments sound nice, but does that really help you to compare cables? The harmonic structure of vocals is just as rich as a well-recorded Bosendorfer, pop music contains transients, reverb decay tails, and perhaps even better jazz/classical when groups like Garbage or King Crimson provide swirling dissonances that can blur into mush in a way which is exceptionally discriminating of good/mediocre hifi equipment.
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