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Old 10th November 2019, 02:19 AM   #11
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Like this — this one for A7.3 but easily tweaked for A7 (A7 goes lower):

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or Twin FH3s — here sandwiched in between Maeshowe and FH3, loaded with a CS MTM kit:

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Old 10th November 2019, 02:54 AM   #12
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I agree with Jeff.

The A10.3 can certainly go down low and if volumes are modest it may really be able to “do it all”. Imaging is amongst the best I have ever experienced.

I started with Pencil enclosure but recently made a smaller stand mount bass reflex for these drivers. If space is a consideration these boxes would be just the ticket.
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Thanks guys. Food for thought.

What would the main performance differences be between Frugalhorns and say TQWQT from Troels Gravesen?
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Which Frugal-Horn? Frugel-Horn Mk3? Maeshowe? Something else?

Link to the troels speaker?

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Old 10th November 2019, 06:47 PM   #15
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What would the main performance differences be between Frugalhorns and say TQWQT from Troels Gravesen?
Anything from Troels is going to cost a lot.

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Frugel horn mkIII I'm thinking, vs Troels quarter wave tapped designs
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The only Troels TQWT i am familiar with cost exponential dollars more for drivers & box, likely has considerably deeper bass (multiple woofers), and play louder, but with an XO will lack that special magic a good FR brings.

Using A7 with a helper woofer in a big WAW would bring the compeariaon a lot closer, bringin g the bass, and loudness levels without sacrificiny the magic.

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Thanks Dave, what's the best way you have of describing that "magic" ? I'm in Ireland and know of nobody that has built frugel horns, so I'm really leaning on your expertise and tastes I guess!
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A number of things contribute to FR “magic”:

Usually directly driven by amplifiers.

A FR is a single source, pysically & aurally, with superb phase response (adding a whizzer can negate that). No XOs. A coax has the potential to also be such, but that probably requires a DSP XO and a very good dispersion match at the XO.

The other is the generally benign impedance curve, one of the reasons a good FR has a greater potential to match with your highe routput impedance amps (such as typical SET/SEP amps).

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