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Old 24th January 2021, 07:17 AM   #1381
MarcelvdG is offline MarcelvdG  Netherlands
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Did you have to use a ground loop breaker or something to prevent hum?
I tried to make everything double insulated, so I didn't have to connect the enclosure to protective earth (which would have been difficult anyway as the enclosure is made of wood). I live in an old Dutch house where most outlets have no protective earth.

As the circuit is balanced and transformer coupled, I think it should be possible to get rid of ground loops even if it were built into a metal enclosure connected to protective earth and it were driving an unbalanced input of an earthed amplifier. In accordance with AES48, the enclosure could be connected to the internal circuitry at only one place and pins 1 of the XLR connectors could be connected straight to the chassis. When you then connect pins 2 and 3 to the amplifier, there is no ground loop.

I used transformer coupling for the S/PDIF inputs. No idea if it was really needed.
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I'm trying to come up with a little PCB for the three non-USB inputs I want. My plan is to do BNC, AES, and optical. The BNC and AES ports will plug into J1 and J2.

C1 and C2 are 0.01uF capacitors, T1 and T2 are Scientific Conversion SC947-02, U1 is a SN74LVC1G125DBV buffer/line driver, L1 is a 47 uH inductor, C3 is a 0.1 uF capacitor, and the optical port is an Everlight PLR135/T10. This would mean that on the Valve DAC PCB, R30 and R31 are going to be 75 and 110 ohm, respectively. the P7 on this board corresponds to P7 on the Valve DAC, so I was hoping to get the 3.3 V for the optical receiver from pin 1. Does this look alright? I also think that for the BNC input, that I connect the RX minus to ground? But not for the AES?
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Old Yesterday, 11:57 PM   #1383
MarcelvdG is offline MarcelvdG  Netherlands
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The recommended application circuits from TI for the DIX4192 AES3 and S/PDIF inputs are as shown in the attachment. Note that the pins of the XLR connector are drawn in the wrong order, pin 1 is never in the middle. TI recommends 0.1 uF for C1 and C2.

I think the secondary of the AES3 transformer can not be grounded on one side because that would make the level on the other side too high to handle for the DIX4192. An AES3 level can be as high as 3.5 V peak differential into 110 ohm, while the DIX4192's I/O supply is 3.3 V nominal. It probably just fits when the positive and negative signal swings are equal but opposite.

There is no such issue for S/PDIF, but I have no idea what advantage grounding one side has over not doing so. Apparently TI has the experience that there is some advantage or other.

The application circuit also shows one side of the S/PDIF transformer's primary grounded, but that makes no sense when you want to prevent ground loops. In my build, I mounted the transformers very close to the input connectors and didn't ground either side of the primary.

The buffer behind the optical receiver may be a very good idea, as the receiver datasheet isn't very clear about what loads it can drive. I have no such buffer, but the one time I wanted to use the optical input, it actually didn't work (could also be due to the source driving the optical cable, I don't know). You can tap off the 3.3 V from the valve DAC. I would recommend reserving space for a resistor between the buffer's output and the cable to the main PCB, so you can terminate the cable more or less characteristically at the driving side.
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I will take a look at the DIX4192IPFB datasheet and edit my schematic. I was copying the inputs from the Gamma 3 DAC that I have because I don't have any actual EE knowledge lol. All of the part values are from that part list. On that DAC, I think the transformer is grounded, and it's labeled "shield" on the data sheet. I left pins 2 and 3 floating.
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