Did someone compare LC D-amps to Tripath, UcD, Hypex or ICEPower?
BTW B&O is located in Danmark too, like LarsC (?!) I do sugest but sure I am wrong. But market succes of ICE modules, claims it is better than Tripath by for instance BelCanto marketing stuff - means something - at least financialy.
LC wrote that 700's goal was achieve smallest distortion in the industry. 🙂 I remember Technics amplifiers from 80's - non amp could ever reach this "quality". Non of us can recall how bad it sounds too;-)
BTW B&O is located in Danmark too, like LarsC (?!) I do sugest but sure I am wrong. But market succes of ICE modules, claims it is better than Tripath by for instance BelCanto marketing stuff - means something - at least financialy.
LC wrote that 700's goal was achieve smallest distortion in the industry. 🙂 I remember Technics amplifiers from 80's - non amp could ever reach this "quality". Non of us can recall how bad it sounds too;-)
It´s quite possible that a certain amp has the lowest (measured) distortion in the industry. Some companies , like Halcro and Norwegian Dynamic Precision have extrem low distortion figures, for their amps!
But to me , the more interesting question is, does conventional measurment reflect sound quality , at all? I´m more interested in measurments that deals with the amp´s transient behavior.
To my ears, Halcro doesn´t make the best amplifier ever....
And how about Dynamic Precision? As I own a DP A1, I´m very impressed with its abilities in the lower registers, and uses it in
a bi-amped system. Its low distortion , says very little about its major positive trait, the ability to play the music with rythmically
"drive". Of course I´m interested of the Zap pulse 700 XE in this regard. Does it suit my type of music? I may have said it before;
I would like to find out!😉 If Class D amp is going to take the whole market, they better sound in a way , that lets the music through. And now that even Accuphase launches Class D,(Accuphase PX 650, a six chanel power amp) , and the German
Hi-fi magazine Stereoplay gives it a real good verdict, it may very well be a sign of change.
But to me , the more interesting question is, does conventional measurment reflect sound quality , at all? I´m more interested in measurments that deals with the amp´s transient behavior.
To my ears, Halcro doesn´t make the best amplifier ever....
And how about Dynamic Precision? As I own a DP A1, I´m very impressed with its abilities in the lower registers, and uses it in
a bi-amped system. Its low distortion , says very little about its major positive trait, the ability to play the music with rythmically
"drive". Of course I´m interested of the Zap pulse 700 XE in this regard. Does it suit my type of music? I may have said it before;
I would like to find out!😉 If Class D amp is going to take the whole market, they better sound in a way , that lets the music through. And now that even Accuphase launches Class D,(Accuphase PX 650, a six chanel power amp) , and the German
Hi-fi magazine Stereoplay gives it a real good verdict, it may very well be a sign of change.
There's now a change in the LC Audio web site. The 700XE is no longer announced as "in stock" but as "soon in stock".
As far as I know Halcro is also class D amplifier. Who ever know is it their solution or they use other companies chips?
Also power supply is switched type like in recent IcePower modules.
I do not like Halcro sound too after I heard it on one audio show. The same with TacT Millenium. Maybe in own place with own rest of system I would get different impression?
Also power supply is switched type like in recent IcePower modules.
I do not like Halcro sound too after I heard it on one audio show. The same with TacT Millenium. Maybe in own place with own rest of system I would get different impression?
They've got their own solution..mostly.
Are you certain it's their class d amp you heard? I understand they have a few different kinds. Rather expensive.
If I'm not mistaken the setpoint for their class d amp is DSP based.
Anzgar, I understand the module is back on the drawing board.
Are you certain it's their class d amp you heard? I understand they have a few different kinds. Rather expensive.
If I'm not mistaken the setpoint for their class d amp is DSP based.
Anzgar, I understand the module is back on the drawing board.
classd4sure said:
Is it being re engineered?Reverse engeneered?Will there be a 700XE improved? A 700XE MkII ?
Anzgar said:
Is it being re engineered?Reverse engeneered?Will there be a 700XE improved? A 700XE MkII ?
Reverse Engineer'd is the rumors i've heard... - Nobody can seem to find the schematic on the amp / find out how to find the schematic on the amp...
- Frustrating, Ay???
Lars / Viborg - Tech Support for LC Audio
nillerviborg said:
What's keeping your employer from leaving the task of fixing the modules to Lars Clausen??Did he have to destroy the schematics he has as a part of the agreement with LC Audio and did he have to go through brain surgery or hypnosis to forget all about it..?
And why no reply from JP regarding the 2.3SE modules?
Wow, guess they finally plugged one in for testing and the ensuing EMP blast wiped all hard drives from LCaudio clear over to Lars' house, incredible, but maybe more believable than many of the excuses we've been hearing. Talk about mismanagement.
It's sad to see.
It's sad to see.
Anzgar said:
What's keeping your employer from leaving the task of fixing the modules to Lars Clausen??Did he have to destroy the schematics he has as a part of the agreement with LC Audio and did he have to go through brain surgery or hypnosis to forget all about it..?
And why no reply from JP regarding the 2.3SE modules?
- Hello Anzgar...
I dont think i should interfere in who is doing what, and why they don't ask somebody else to do it instead... - that's not my area of expertise.... - i'm only doing the aftermarket Tech support...
In regards of JP..: - i cannot say why you haven't heard from him.. - i'll try to ask him monday if he forgot!!
Sincerely, Lars / Viborg - Tech Support for LC Audio
classd4sure said:
Naaaah.... - Dont think it was like that... - But maybe the 3-phases coffe machine runing on 6 sync'd 2.3SE modules to get faster net voltage could have melted down, flooding the midst' of Holstebor in a 3 meter high tidal wave!! - **** happen's, you know...!!
Sincerely, Lars / Viborg - Tech Support for LC Audio
>Reverse Engineer'd is the rumors i've heard... - Nobody can seem to find the schematic on the amp / find out how to find the schematic on the amp...
- Frustrating, Ay???
Lars / Viborg - Tech Support for LC Audio<
Rumors..hm, certainly the abscense of information is a fertile ground for rumors.I find it very hard to believe that schematics, pcb layouts and other information about a new amplifier all of a sudden should disappear from the face of the earth.At least the original constructor should have it and also the company that manufactures the amp less the secret parts.No reverse engeneering should be necessary.
- Frustrating, Ay???
Lars / Viborg - Tech Support for LC Audio<
Rumors..hm, certainly the abscense of information is a fertile ground for rumors.I find it very hard to believe that schematics, pcb layouts and other information about a new amplifier all of a sudden should disappear from the face of the earth.At least the original constructor should have it and also the company that manufactures the amp less the secret parts.No reverse engeneering should be necessary.
Anzgar,
It's evident we're never being told the full story. From the sounds of it there's possibly some bad blood?
Either way it sounds like if they're re-designing a module at LCaudio then they're no longer interested in the original "protected by agreement" work, which seems to hint that Lars may in fact be able to release his own version to the public, perhaps as a DIY blank PCB + parts bag sort of kit?
Anyway, since according to an LCaudio representative on this forum no design schematic exists, nothing could possibly be left in their interest for Lars to protect?
Yes, I'm aware I'm dreaming in technicolour. Speaking of which, how long do you intend to wait for your module?
Regards,
Chris
It's evident we're never being told the full story. From the sounds of it there's possibly some bad blood?
Either way it sounds like if they're re-designing a module at LCaudio then they're no longer interested in the original "protected by agreement" work, which seems to hint that Lars may in fact be able to release his own version to the public, perhaps as a DIY blank PCB + parts bag sort of kit?
Anyway, since according to an LCaudio representative on this forum no design schematic exists, nothing could possibly be left in their interest for Lars to protect?
Yes, I'm aware I'm dreaming in technicolour. Speaking of which, how long do you intend to wait for your module?
Regards,
Chris
Hello Anzgar!!
- I believe Posselt tri'ed to contact you today regarding some 2.3SE modules you wish'd for???
Lars / Viborg - Tech Support for LC audio
- I believe Posselt tri'ed to contact you today regarding some 2.3SE modules you wish'd for???
Lars / Viborg - Tech Support for LC audio
classd4sure said:
Hello Chris!! - No comment's...
However... - If you as a manufacturer bought a piece of technology, and it by a terrible twist of fortune wasn't ready for release, would you then really allow the original constructor to release a problem-solved edition of the same technology that you purchased???
As to why LC is not working for LC Audio any longer, it should be a private decsission from the one's involved, not for me to make rumors about. - as i haven't been told anything other than his norway affair...
This comment has no place in real life, just a theoretic analysis of your technicolour dream... - Btw., i believe anzgar in a previous thread stated that some time this summer would be ok, as he is redesigning his amp. Should he reconsider, i am very sure, that he will off course be given his money back immediately!!!
Lars Clausen should be - according to my information - be free to make audio electronics as much as he like's, as long as it is not copies of something made for his old company. Nothing hold's him against making new and very exiting projects!! - You do off course know his DIY Page named www.oliveaudio.com ???
Sincerely, Lars / Viborg - Tech Support for LC Audio
nillerviborg said:
Yes, thanks to you, he actually did 😀 and I guess the modules will be shipped tomorrow.With a bit of luck I might have the amp playing in the weekend 😉
nillerviborg said:
I believe flaws in high tech is unavoidable, but it really depends on how a technology transfer contract is drafted. If the contract is not complete enough to cover producability of the technology, then both are at the mercy of good will from both sides to get the job done. Otherwise reputation of both will suffer.
classd4sure said:
Technicolour dreams and analysis thereof including imaginary scenarios....what should Freud or CG Jung find out of that? 😀
I intend to wait for the 700XE modules until I receive them or until I die, whatever comes first 😎
I have listened to one and I won't be fully satisfied until I have them in a working amp in my home.They really are a major leap in the quality of class D amps!
We don't know the whole story about these blessed (?) modules nor is it necessary to know, one might well say it's none of our business.If somebody tells it might be interesting to know but we can't demand that it's told to us.
I've decided for now to believe the statement in LC Audio home site that the 700XE modules are "soon in stock".They wouldn't announce that if schematics and all info was missing, would they?
At least this belief will give me a (temporary?) peace of mind.
Anzgar said:
Technicolour dreams and analysis thereof including imaginary scenarios....what should Freud or CG Jung find out of that? 😀
I intend to wait for the 700XE modules until I receive them or until I die, whatever comes first 😎
I have listened to one and I won't be fully satisfied until I have them in a working amp in my home.They really are a major leap in the quality of class D amps!
We don't know the whole story about these blessed (?) modules nor is it necessary to know, one might well say it's none of our business.If somebody tells it might be interesting to know but we can't demand that it's told to us.
I've decided for now to believe the statement in LC Audio home site that the 700XE modules are "soon in stock".They wouldn't announce that if schematics and all info was missing, would they?
At least this belief will give me a (temporary?) peace of mind.
I don't know about CG Jung, but Sigmund would likely want to share in the experience.
I can agree the story is non of our business, unless maybe they take people's money and can't deliver... or deliver an untested and faulty product, then lie about having tested it, along with a myrad of other hard to believe excuses, while still accepting money.
To still maintain hope after what's transpired speaks volumes as well, but like you say, whatever lets you sleep at night.
Good luck anyway, seriously. 🙄
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