A good one SY! I was quite unaware of that, having never bothered to wander into the astrology section of a bookstore. But it does prove the point nicely. 😉
Hi,
What always strikes me is that when people speak highly of garden variety wire for their system no one raises so much as an eyebrow....
However, from the moment the magic word silver enters into the game someone starts jumping all over the place.
For what it's worth I hardly have any copper in my system bar the powerlines, powertransformers, some leadout wires of off the shelf resitors and caps and the whole lot_all the silver_ only costed a fraction of a 3 foot high-end stereo interconnect.
I always liked what silver did to that system and I won't go back to copper...
If it isn't astronomy, I don't care...If it's astrology, I couldn't care less...Main thing is, to my ears the alchemy sounds right.
Some like apples, some like pears...😉
What always strikes me is that when people speak highly of garden variety wire for their system no one raises so much as an eyebrow....
However, from the moment the magic word silver enters into the game someone starts jumping all over the place.
For what it's worth I hardly have any copper in my system bar the powerlines, powertransformers, some leadout wires of off the shelf resitors and caps and the whole lot_all the silver_ only costed a fraction of a 3 foot high-end stereo interconnect.
I always liked what silver did to that system and I won't go back to copper...
If it isn't astronomy, I don't care...If it's astrology, I couldn't care less...Main thing is, to my ears the alchemy sounds right.
Some like apples, some like pears...😉
Quite understandable, given that no sufficiently rigorous test has ever revealed an audible difference between 'garden variety' wire and more esoteric types.fdegrove said:
It has little to do with silver wire, per se. It has to do with the much more inclusive topic of botique cables, high purity copper, silver, single grain metals, directional cables, audiophile insulators, wire elevators, solder types, etc., etc.
And I don't "jump all over the place" when you say you like the way silver sounds in your system. I'd jump all over the place if you said you have and could again hear the difference blind. Reminds me of a directionality challenge that never quite took place... 😉
Hi,
If you say so...
However, there are measurable differences which, according to some, are important enough to be included in the manufacturing processes.
One can of course discuss the importance of measurements and their relation to what we actually hear.
Very few "boutique" cable manufacturer have their materials made to their specifications or even in house.
Therefore, if you want to spend the time browsing industrial catalogues you'll find almost everything that's used to make these cables.
After all there only so many variations on a theme possible: L,R and C.
The others are braidings to cancel out EMI, shielding from RFI (imaginary or real), solder and mostly how well the soldering is done etc.
What I'm trying to say is that for a fraction of the cost of a boutique cable set you can build you're own and beat them at their own game.
Isn't that sweet revenge?😉
If you say so...
However, there are measurable differences which, according to some, are important enough to be included in the manufacturing processes.
One can of course discuss the importance of measurements and their relation to what we actually hear.
Very few "boutique" cable manufacturer have their materials made to their specifications or even in house.
Therefore, if you want to spend the time browsing industrial catalogues you'll find almost everything that's used to make these cables.
After all there only so many variations on a theme possible: L,R and C.
The others are braidings to cancel out EMI, shielding from RFI (imaginary or real), solder and mostly how well the soldering is done etc.
What I'm trying to say is that for a fraction of the cost of a boutique cable set you can build you're own and beat them at their own game.
Isn't that sweet revenge?😉
Re: Re: well, well - Although I had not intended to post again
I only wish that it was easy to determine what the cause of the differences was.
FWIW, the Azurahorns and DX4's are probably what would be rated around 104DB.I think that is a reason that minor differences and system changes in my system are sometimes so easily discerned.
Apology accepted.
Well, like everything else in life you have to look at things with a grain of salt. Actually, I'm more of a skeptic than most myself, but at times will give something a shot.
On even numbered weeks I am a cynical skeptic. On odd numbered weeks I'm a skeptical cynic. Actually, I lose count a lot and have trouble remembering which week I'm supposed to be on, but it doesn't matter much._really big grin_
You're in the southeast, I'm in Greenville, SC. Where are you located?
If you're in the area - bring by two pair of interconnects and a friend you trust to do some random swapping while you listen.
I'm using XLR connectors going into the Behringer digital crossover and RCA's coming out of the preamp/amp - but after the next couple of months the preamp and amp connections will be soldered in.
Or whether you want to do that or not come on by and listen to the horns and tubes.
My too-long-in-process transformer volume control tube preamp is almost debugged.
Am finally actually close to wiring a GM70 Boat Anchor amp using GM70's with copper plates ( _the copper plates sound different than the graphite plates - don'tcha know _ big grin_)
I think you probably see most things in black and white while I see things in mostly shades of gray - and think and function in such an abstract manner that it at times is hard to express my self literally - and I think these differences we have had in this thread are related more to that than to other things.
If this is the worst that happens to either of us this week, this will be the best week we've had in a long time _big grin_
Come on to Greenville, bring some well engineered CD's and give a listen.
Other than silver interconnects and silver speaker wires (don't forget I recommended they _not_ go for silver speaker wires) I have no tweaks, no isolation pods, pads, crogencally treated anything of that nature.
We won't count the tinfoil in my socks, since it's purpose is to improve my hearing - not actually do anything for the system.
Course I'll be cheating because you'll be listening to horns _grin_
But that's another thread _big grin_
Regards
Ken l
RHosch said:
I only wish that it was easy to determine what the cause of the differences was.
FWIW, the Azurahorns and DX4's are probably what would be rated around 104DB.I think that is a reason that minor differences and system changes in my system are sometimes so easily discerned.
RHosch said:
Apology accepted.
RHosch said:
Well, like everything else in life you have to look at things with a grain of salt. Actually, I'm more of a skeptic than most myself, but at times will give something a shot.
On even numbered weeks I am a cynical skeptic. On odd numbered weeks I'm a skeptical cynic. Actually, I lose count a lot and have trouble remembering which week I'm supposed to be on, but it doesn't matter much._really big grin_
You're in the southeast, I'm in Greenville, SC. Where are you located?
If you're in the area - bring by two pair of interconnects and a friend you trust to do some random swapping while you listen.
I'm using XLR connectors going into the Behringer digital crossover and RCA's coming out of the preamp/amp - but after the next couple of months the preamp and amp connections will be soldered in.
Or whether you want to do that or not come on by and listen to the horns and tubes.
My too-long-in-process transformer volume control tube preamp is almost debugged.
Am finally actually close to wiring a GM70 Boat Anchor amp using GM70's with copper plates ( _the copper plates sound different than the graphite plates - don'tcha know _ big grin_)
I think you probably see most things in black and white while I see things in mostly shades of gray - and think and function in such an abstract manner that it at times is hard to express my self literally - and I think these differences we have had in this thread are related more to that than to other things.
If this is the worst that happens to either of us this week, this will be the best week we've had in a long time _big grin_
Come on to Greenville, bring some well engineered CD's and give a listen.
Other than silver interconnects and silver speaker wires (don't forget I recommended they _not_ go for silver speaker wires) I have no tweaks, no isolation pods, pads, crogencally treated anything of that nature.
We won't count the tinfoil in my socks, since it's purpose is to improve my hearing - not actually do anything for the system.
Course I'll be cheating because you'll be listening to horns _grin_
But that's another thread _big grin_
Regards
Ken l
I'm in MS... been a while since I visited SC. Glad we got the thread back from the plunge it was taking... all I had to do was take a few prozac and everything was fine again. 😉
Big horns and tubes are quite different than my own personal tastes... dipoles with prodigious and ridiculous amounts of clean SS power.
Big horns and tubes are quite different than my own personal tastes... dipoles with prodigious and ridiculous amounts of clean SS power.
RHosch said:
Doesn't surprise me at all that we are at different ends of the spectrum _big grin_
FWIW, I've got all the Linkwitz stuff for the Pheonix/Orion - boards, parts, etc. Don't have the drivers/cabs. Do need the Orion update. I probably ought to sell the boards, etc. because it's unlikely I'll get around to it.
Before I could actually start building, I hooked up with a bunch of Dixie Bottleheads and heard the best sounds I've ever heard. They had a group order of Azurahorns coming from Australia and were able to include my pair as the last pair that would fit into a standard shipping crate size. Don't have this setup actually maxed out yet - will take a while, additional horns and drivers on the way, will eventually do bass horns instead of sealed.
My current setup is about two pictures down on this page.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23208&perpage=15&pagenumber=22
I grew up with tubes - there was no SS _grin_ . So it's very likely that SS will never sound _right_ to me.
However, the day I hear anything that sounds better to me, be it SS, digital, dipole or whatever, I'll go that way.
You have a nice Easter
Regards
Ken L
Nice to see things getting warmer around here. I kept going back and forth between the computer and the hockey game(s) to see who was going to drop the gloves first. 😀
So is it still OK to use my new 10 ga. high strand?
I'd hate to send it back. 😉
Happy Easter to all,
Cal
Oh and,
Ken: _big grin_
RHosh: Good Prozac
Regards
So is it still OK to use my new 10 ga. high strand?
I'd hate to send it back. 😉
Happy Easter to all,
Cal
Oh and,
Ken: _big grin_
RHosh: Good Prozac
Regards
Is there a simple test to find if some unmarked, silver "looking" wire I have, is indeed silver?
I've ground it on a wire wheel to find it isn't plated or tinned.
I've ground it on a wire wheel to find it isn't plated or tinned.
There are some quick tests, but the easiest and safest is to wrap a piece of the bare wire with a rubber band, and put it away for a day or two. If a black tarnish develops, it's most likely silver.
If you've got an accurate scale, you can check density, which is a faster way to confirm identity.
If you've got an accurate scale, you can check density, which is a faster way to confirm identity.
back to the Home Depot idea: I don't live near a HD. Does anyone know where on Home Depot's web site the extension cord can be found?
I see a few here:
But they don't exactly match the desciption in Abosolute Sound. Want to make sure I get the right stuff.
Thanks.
I see a few here:
But they don't exactly match the desciption in Abosolute Sound. Want to make sure I get the right stuff.
Thanks.
Whoops. forgot to include link in my last post.
http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDU...CNTKEY=Products_2/Electrical&MID=9876&pos=n04
http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDU...CNTKEY=Products_2/Electrical&MID=9876&pos=n04
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