
Please hurry ...
I just asked Peter for _my_ PCB set 🙄 😀
and a B I G "Thanks!"
(to NP, Peter and the 1st Finisher ...)
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vrun said:Nobody finished a DIY F4 yet ?
Please hurry ...
I just asked Peter for _my_ PCB set 🙄 😀
and a B I G "Thanks!"
(to NP, Peter and the 1st Finisher ...)
I'm working on it 🙂 slowly getting there 😀
vrun said:Nobody finished a DIY F4 yet ?
If you count out the first 5 to 10 F4's built by the rest of us, no none built yet.
Magura 🙂
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Hi,
If I use this wiring to step down the secondary, the VA rating remains the same, correct? For example, ifI buy this and use the 240 wiring scheme:
http://www.amazon.com/Y236804-500VA...?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1183481093&sr=1-11
I treat that as 20+20 500VA transformer.
Thanks,
jleaman said:
Hi,
If I use this wiring to step down the secondary, the VA rating remains the same, correct? For example, ifI buy this and use the 240 wiring scheme:
http://www.amazon.com/Y236804-500VA...?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1183481093&sr=1-11
I treat that as 20+20 500VA transformer.
Thanks,
Basically, the VA rating will drop by half. More info on the subject here: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1246772#post1246772
skseah
Presets are P1=5K - P2=500R.
Parts from BOM v2.1 are issued from Nelson R0 Service Manual 4/17/07.
jarthel
C5 C6 optional caps : min 30v - 12mm Diam - 5mm inter-pins
The LED will tell you if the amp is on or not...
Yes it's optional too.
Usefull Informations here :
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=97540&perpage=10&pagenumber=1
Presets are P1=5K - P2=500R.
Parts from BOM v2.1 are issued from Nelson R0 Service Manual 4/17/07.
jarthel
C5 C6 optional caps : min 30v - 12mm Diam - 5mm inter-pins
The LED will tell you if the amp is on or not...

Yes it's optional too.
Usefull Informations here :
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=97540&perpage=10&pagenumber=1
If you cut the input voltage in half then the output voltage is half.
Volt amps is: Volts times Amps and are measured at the output of the amp for our purposes. So if half the voltage is coming out, then you need twice the amps to get the same Volt Amps. twice the amps is going to be a lot of strain on the output wiring, so the transformer won't work for a continuous output. The complicating factor is that we overspec the transformers we use. Partially because a lot of manufacturers exaggerate the capacity of their transformers, partially because it works better to a point because the current flows in pulses. Partially because "more is better" we think.
See:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1247229#post1247229
Also Class AB amps tend to only need max power for max output.
Class A amps have a more continuous power draw and the F4 is class A unfortunately.
So, the transformer is a little small used as you are proposing, but has certain characteristics of a larger transformer so will probably just work. BUT it would be a shame to buy a new component that is underspeced when in theory for the same money you could get one that is over specced. We tend to use your trick on surplus transformers or ones we have laying around....
AV is a big manufacturer and they may have more models that Amazon/Parts Express sells so you can contact them directly and buy from them. BUT I believe that the direct prices are higher.
Search the surplus places, Google, and you might find a deal!
Volt amps is: Volts times Amps and are measured at the output of the amp for our purposes. So if half the voltage is coming out, then you need twice the amps to get the same Volt Amps. twice the amps is going to be a lot of strain on the output wiring, so the transformer won't work for a continuous output. The complicating factor is that we overspec the transformers we use. Partially because a lot of manufacturers exaggerate the capacity of their transformers, partially because it works better to a point because the current flows in pulses. Partially because "more is better" we think.
See:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1247229#post1247229
Also Class AB amps tend to only need max power for max output.
Class A amps have a more continuous power draw and the F4 is class A unfortunately.
So, the transformer is a little small used as you are proposing, but has certain characteristics of a larger transformer so will probably just work. BUT it would be a shame to buy a new component that is underspeced when in theory for the same money you could get one that is over specced. We tend to use your trick on surplus transformers or ones we have laying around....
AV is a big manufacturer and they may have more models that Amazon/Parts Express sells so you can contact them directly and buy from them. BUT I believe that the direct prices are higher.
Search the surplus places, Google, and you might find a deal!
You could get a pair of these
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=122-610
or:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=122-615
for about $6 more. A Transformer for each channel is considered an upgrade.
Or a pair of these for $17 more:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=122-620
Of course dual transformers requires a dual power supply (Diode bridges, capacitors (can be half the size though) resistors (pretty cheap)
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=122-610
or:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=122-615
for about $6 more. A Transformer for each channel is considered an upgrade.
Or a pair of these for $17 more:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=122-620
Of course dual transformers requires a dual power supply (Diode bridges, capacitors (can be half the size though) resistors (pretty cheap)
vrun said:Nobody finished a DIY F4 yet ?
Please hurry ...
I just asked Peter for _my_ PCB set 🙄 😀
If nothing comes up this week, I will order the next batch of boards anyway.
Thank you, Variac and Peter.
Very educational link, the Avel is a spare from my friend that is of no more use. I thought I could take advantage of it 🙂
Very educational link, the Avel is a spare from my friend that is of no more use. I thought I could take advantage of it 🙂
korben69 said:
jarthel
C5 C6 optional caps : min 30v - 12mm Diam - 5mm inter-pins
The LED will tell you if the amp is on or not...![]()
Yes it's optional too.
Usefull Informations here :
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=97540&perpage=10&pagenumber=1
thank you Korben.
I searched that thread but the word LED didn't came up (at least in relation to F4)
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Variac said:You could get a pair of these
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=122-610
or:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=122-615
for about $6 more. A Transformer for each channel is considered an upgrade.
Or a pair of these for $17 more:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=122-620
Of course dual transformers requires a dual power supply (Diode bridges, capacitors (can be half the size though) resistors (pretty cheap)
OR you could buy exactly what im buying 2 of 🙂 one for my self one for a friend.
http://cgi.ebay.com/18-18V-400VA-To...12581336QQihZ017QQcategoryZ4660QQcmdZViewItem
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Dougie085 said:so only need 18-22v for these?
22volt's ac might be a little high.
so 1 18v tranny for each channel (i'm going to be running 1 stereo board per channel in full balanced mode).
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Dougie085 said:so 1 18v tranny for each channel (i'm going to be running 1 stereo board per channel in full balanced mode).
No, one 18-0-18 @ 400 Va should be enough to run 2 F4's all in one box.
Dougie085 said:But would 2 (1 per channel) be better?
it will have/consume more power though 🙂
look at your room and speakers and decide if the extra cost is worth it
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I was thinking of building the parallel mono version. But I decided I would be wasting my money on such a project since the living room isn't that big. I decided to spend the extra money of better parts 🙂
A better question would be would I be able to hear a difference. Chances are not at all. So yeah 1 would probably be plenty.
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Dougie085 said:A better question would be would I be able to hear a difference. Chances are not at all. So yeah 1 would probably be plenty.
Ding Ding, you are correct, you just won the right to build the F4 🙂
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