Woofer for Manger

[phase_accurate]

For that is visible in the Manger website the MSW have a strange rising response toward the low frequencies so you can expect a sort of auto- balancing when you put it on a 10" baffle due to the baffle step effect.

Bingo

Regards

Charles

 

[inertial]

Hi,

Charles,

are you saying I am quite correct?
I know you have real experience with MSW. It would be fantastic if you please can post some measurement of your MSW-baffle combo


Richard, we wants drawings! 😀

Russell,
I agree 70%. Sure MSW is not a real fullrange but I have listened a pair of modified Swing with only a big cap in series. They work.
I think we can considerate MSW like a 4". 200Hz of crossover is workable imho without excessive issues of excursion. I like privilege quality than quantity. 😀

Cheers,
Paolo

 

[Richard Moon]

Here is some images..

This is what I ordered some years ago, and I just tested it yesterday.

Sound seems like clearer than the ZB 109 below.

Of course, I used the 109 XO.

I will post the drawings..

Regards.

 

[Richard Moon]

Another pic..

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[Richard Moon]

MSW enclosure

This is some concept.

The sound radiated from the inside of the voice coil of MSW reaches the back of the enclosure.
And some area of outside of the VC reflects and absorbs at the corners.

The refecting plates are made of steel and the enclosure is wood, MDF, or steel.

Is there anybody tried this?

Merry Christmas... ^^

 

[inertial]

Very beautiful eggs , Richard! 😀

I think the "step" of the woofer cabinet have a negative impact on the sound emanated from the "egg". Very bad diffraction effect. Put some thick felt on it , the more you can . 😉
What woofer are you using?

Cheers,
Paolo

 

[tinitus]

Just figured out what I would with Manger, the new models

DIPOLE

I would use either 1 x 12" pro woofer with very high sensitivity or 2 x 12" or 2 x 10" if sensitivity is not so high, but still pro stuff

FaitalPro FiveHundredSeries would be nice

And subs would be needed, but have to be very good to keep up, might not be easy

Passive and biamp
Maybe attenuators fore woofers

Or active if find a good one

And cross my fingers and hope those pro woofer arent too rugged below 300hz

 

[inertial]

Hi tinitus,

Aaaaahhhhh MSW, you are a fine gourmet!😀

What is new model?😕 Neodimium maybe?


Mine friend, are you sure about dipole? I strongly desagree here 😀 😀 😀

Cheers,
Paolo

 

[inertial]

i will also post some pics of the eq applied to the system (ill post the pics of the screen of the dbx )


regards sheafer

Hi Sheafer,

are there any news on your project? We are curious!

Cheers,
Paolo

 

[tinitus]

Hi tinitus,

Aaaaahhhhh MSW, you are a fine gourmet!😀

What is new model?😕 Neodimium maybe?


Mine friend, are you sure about dipole? I strongly desagree here 😀 😀 😀

Cheers,
Paolo

Thank you kindly 🙂

Yes its a neo with better sensitivity than the old

I have my serious OB doubts too 😉 but its so easy to build 😀

But just now this Manger have my attention
I considere them many years ago, before the neo, but I thought they were too expencive
But new neo could be the answer to my dreams, especially now...would free me of this horn syndrome

Besides, Manger is special driver I would be happy just to own 🙂

 

[inertial]

😀

Tinitus i was so pleased when I have listened the Manger Swing + Subsonice! Terribly natural , in my opinion over the top. And I have listened and owned 🙂bawling: ) a lot of those high end speakers ( I was crazy when I was young!)

In the future I have to take a pair of those MSW and try something..😀

Easy construction? Maybe yes, but the result?
I had :
Audiostatic 300RS
Carver The Amazing Loudspeaker
Infinity IRS Delta
ESS Transar ATD2
A friend of mine had the Quad63
another has (still today) Acoustat X
.....well to make the story short dipoles have broken my b@@@@!😀

Cheers,
Paolo

 

[inertial]

Ooopppssss, forgot the Sound Lab Dynastat 2

To not talk about various mostruosities DIY with Heils, Strathern, Newform. As I said I was crazY!

Cheers,
Paolo

 

[tinitus]

Dont look back, its simply too frustrating to realise all the nice gear that got lost along the way

Many times before I thought, just THAT amp I owned back then, mated with THOSE speaker I owned later on, might have been something really special ...seems like too many things just doesnt happen the way they should...probably due to too much fooling around and lack of experience

Thats a lot of nice gear you have owned, cant compete with that
🙂

 

[inertial]

Not too bad ,tinitus, major part of those audio stuff was famous, and I have purchased used but, I have learned ( at my bad) that claims on the magazines are a thing and reality is another IMO!
Now I am more experienced to not wast 1 euro more!🙄
Nostalgic? No thanks, now my DIY sound (finally!)....

Cheers,
Paolo

 

[Gasho]

Woofer for Manger.

Maybe something like bass section of Lumen white speakers?

 

[tinitus]

Woofer for Manger.

like bass section of Lumen white speakers?

Explain please 😕

 

[inertial]

Do you mean about Accutons miniarray of woofers or about that particular shape of the cabinet?

Cheers,
Paolo

 

[inertial]

Excuse me for the OT here,
But these are the last design who I have worked for:

http://www.sigmaudio.com/pages/products/laborlimae/laborlimae.html

It's not mine design, ( it is a friend of mine) I have only made consultant for x-over😎

the interesting thing is that the ETON ER4 sound very close to the BG Neo3pdr.........cool, no?

BUT, I have to admit I continue to slightly prefer the sound of the MSW!🙄

Cheers,
Paolo

 

[slr 5000]

hi all here is the matrix bracing
they are upside down in this pic
the mangers are mounted in a sealed 10l compartment that is built into the bracing after this pic was taken

 

[slr 5000]

here is the built cabs
they are set up and playing but need final sanding and veneer