In my example the room and ALL other equipment stayed the same thoughout the tests. Only the CD player changed, nothing else.
The interaction of speakers is achievable by means of placement. The size of the reproduction of the (individual) loudspeakers is essential here. An interaction of headphone capsules is not easily adjustable.
And the vast majority, even the most expensive! headphones have to be revised enormously: e.g. the relation size and distance from capsule to ear is not considered. About headphone amplifiers I do not even want to write;-)-;
In addition, the resolution of (good) speakers is much higher.
And the vast majority, even the most expensive! headphones have to be revised enormously: e.g. the relation size and distance from capsule to ear is not considered. About headphone amplifiers I do not even want to write;-)-;
In addition, the resolution of (good) speakers is much higher.
Its more that consciousness is illusion. All the senses, all of intuition, of emotion, of recognition, etc., are moderated in other parts of the brain unobservable by conscious awareness. Those signals sort of pop into existence in conscience awareness if the moderating parts of the brain process it and pass it along. A lot of what might be considered as noise is blocked from being passed along. Most of the body sensations are noise unless there is some particular reason for some of them to be passed along. Mindful mediation can be a way to learn how to let the brain moderation of body sensations allow those signals to be passed along to awareness rather than be blocked as unwanted noise.
What’s missing here is the contribution of the subconscious to what we hear. More on this touchy subject later. But first fasten seat belts.
If the information to create the illusion of a 3D soundstage/image than you will never create it. The recording process lost that important information before it eve rgot to us.
Doesn’t mean the recording can’t be enjoyable, it just won’t create that illusion.
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3dness is an illusion created by the brain, some brains cannot do this, so one can assume a wide spectrum of the brain’s capability to create the illusion.
It is subjective in that we have no way to determine it, for now at least, except by listening, and based on the extrapolation just posted, a wide range of brain capability to detect/create the illusion of a 3D soundstage/image. But it is real.
The brain has been trained over eons to take small little bits of information and figure out what direction to run to avoid being eaten by the sabertooth tiger.
dave
The new “strain gauge” is the DS cartridges, an opportunity i understand, to design new phono equalizers.
dave
I expect that might be the case, but not a big fan of headphones i have little experience. The last pair of headphones i actually used were late 1970's Sennheisers 414s. Mine weren’t these colours thou.
dave
If the stuff in front has really good DDR (doesn’t lose [as much of] the little tiny pieces of information even a modest pair of loudspeakers (in a good room, i live in one of those)
can produce the illusion of a 3D image/soundstage.
dave
There is a wholw theory in advanced physics that has the whole of reality is an illusion created by our minds.
Given our minds have learned to filter out huge amounts of information just so as not to be overwhelmed, what we experience is certanly an illusion, but based on sensory inputs minus what we have leartned to ignore.
Anyone who has experienced things like LSD, Psilocybin, MDMA, Ketamine in suffient quantity has experienced at least some of this filtered information, often decribed as hallucinations (the brain trying to make sense of incoming information it is trying to make sense of. This characteriswtic of these drugs is just now starting to be utilized by therapists to reprogram the brain to greatly ease things like PTSD and depression. MDMA is just about to get FDA approval for such, Psilocybin is being studied in many places for the\he same. And in terms of direct experience, i just had a friend in the EU get dragged out of severe PTSD and depression over a really short time period using experimental MDMA therapy. He had been spiralling downward for many years, ended up being hospitalized due to symptoms, and seems to have been truend atround in a couple weeks. These techniques are being hailed as “miracle” cures.
Research coming out of this will have an affect on our hobby as more of the brains functioning is teased out.
dave
Chris did similar with his modest Jolida CD player. At one diyFEST we were all amazed when it outperfomed the then new, and highyly prasied LINN CD12 (?), the first $20kish CD player i had seen. The LINN ended up sitting neglected in a corner. The aethetics and functioning of the LINN was more staisfying…
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Often not taken into account. In my HiFi sales days it became clear that one of the hardest customers to sell a good hifi to were professional classical musicians. It was as if anything they listened to, no matter how poor, would sound great to them because their brains would fill in the missing information. Which led me to this understanding “the more work the brain has to do to fill in the missing bits of the illusion, the more fatiging a system can be,
dave
As phrased that implies disembodied illusions unattached to any consciousness or perceiving subject. Maybe perceptions instead?
Or maybe they’re just smart enough to just enjoy the music, and not spend their energy trying to overanalyze everything.
Consciousness is a mental construction, a distorted model of reality, not a direct observer of reality itself. In that sense it is an illusion. It is blind to most of the processing going on in the rest of the brain. By some reckoning it only has to be close enough to right to increase probability of survival from around 50% (random) to an estimated 70% (a substantial advantage for survival of the species).
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We considered that, ruled it out.
B ut sort of, they did enjoy the music, but because their brains were involuntarily creating most of it themselves. For them to do the work they have to work. But 10s of thousands of hours of practise makes it more or less effortless.
dave
It feels like our difference is the terms applied to same phenomena but this thread is already swirly enough without Husserl.
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