Why the objectivists will never win!

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krivium said:
Could you tell me what are your sub and their bandwidth please? As well how did you figured out a switched off cellphone induced some change to sound? Was it repeatable in double ABX? Same with clock and watches?
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Yes, all those things are easily blind tested. Repeatable, transferrable, predictable. The items under test just need to be taken outside, or at least in a far room, to test. For Schumann frequency test, allow frequency to play for at least 5 minutes prior to critical listening. Turn off YouTube video to go back to normal.

I know what you’re thinking, what should I be listening for, right? More air, more dynamics and more realistic presentation.
 
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geoffkait said:
Something hurts the sound when it (1) compresses it
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This is a kind of distortion that my hearing is sensitive to. I had speakers in high school that had 95 dB/watt sensitivity; all Electro-Voice drivers. These speakers had some warts but they had outstanding dynamic response. The drivers were intended for pro audio reinforcement and played ridiculously loud in a domestic environment - in fact they subjectively didn't sound good at all when played at low volume but crank em up and they kicked butt.

The moral of the story is that lower efficiency speakers will have more compression unless there's a way of dissipating the voice coil heat. My present speakers have many virtues that the huge (and ridiculous) speakers lacked, but dynamic response and extreme SPL aren't on that list.
 
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dannyboy2000 said:
It seems to me that we dare not attribute those differences to mere subjective whimsy. I can abide the possibility that you don't care for Beethoven's music on the grounds that "It's not my cup of tea." However, if you claim it is pompous antiquarian rubbish unfit for human consumption, I will conclude that the problem is with you and not the music. Point being, the greatness of Beethoven's music merits our respect regardless of our taste in music. Because, (to put it negatively), "there is no accounting for taste." And taste is all we hve left with which to judge if there is no inherent merit, which to say there is no place for reason. I will leave it with you folks to put a positive spin on that one.
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This is approximately what most are saying in here, shortform, there's no right or wrong, there are many shades, and we all have our own views and that's fine.
If I said Mr B was "pompous.... rubbish" then I would be foolish. If I gave a reasoned argument as to why I disagree with you on they Mr B's music is "great" then that should be ok - we would perhaps agree to disagree, but learn a little from each other's considered opinions. (by the way - this is hypothetical. I do indeed like a lot of Mr B's music).
It only breaks if you insist that I am wrong (or vice-versa) and you are unequivocally right...

And finally, my speakers. For the benefit of those for whom knowing this tells them all they need to know about me.
BBC LS3/5a.
(Two REL T-5x subs added 2021.)
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🙂 Nicely put!
 
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limono said:
They surely did. In what direction?
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I am not as well versed in speaker design as I would like to be so cannot comment on the cabinet design or the drawbacks vs advantages of pattern control via slots in front of the drivers. But driver design and cone materials have moved on from the BBC days, so I suspect (no proof) that they are chasing a historic sound rather than state of the art. But I could be wrong...
 
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gpauk said:
This is approximately what most are saying in here, shortform, there's no right or wrong, there are many shades, and we all have our own views and that's fine.
If I said Mr B was "pompous.... rubbish" then I would be foolish. If I gave a reasoned argument as to why I disagree with you on they Mr B's music is "great" then that should be ok - we would perhaps agree to disagree, but learn a little from each other's considered opinions. (by the way - this is hypothetical. I do indeed like a lot of Mr B's music).
It only breaks if you insist that I am wrong (or vice-versa) and you are unequivocally right...
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With respect, and I mean that, it was not my intention to say approximately what everyone was saying, for there would have been no need. What I tried to say was that Beethoven's music is great whether you agree or not. But how to say that without coming off as a dogmatic moralizer, AKA"filthy objectivist"? GK Chesterton wrote a wonderful essay entitled "Charles Dickens, The Last Of The Great Men." In that essay Chesterton struggled to define the word "great" and finally settled upon, "Whatever greatness means, Charles Dickens is what it means!"

Now, are there any hifi components that can fairly be categorized as great? I think so, although there is a lot more "grey" here as you note. But some of the early Audio Research components--the SP-3 in particular. My own beloved LS3/5a's. (Look at the imitators!) There are any number of others, but to name them is to stir up a hornet's nest of those whose fave components I have omitted. So I'm off to work, but in the meantime, take a swing at the Lewis article I refer to. You will have to navigate his awkward concealment of several English teachers whose methods he is critiquing, but stay with it. Please. About 30 minutes.
 
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