Also, I have dialed in distortion on one of those things myself and listened to the difference. For some source material a little distortion sometimes sounds better. You can say its only a legend all you want, but that doesn't make it so. I guess we will just have to disagree on this one.
No, I won't say. 🙂
I know the difference between modifying of a single voice versus an orchestra recorded with nice reverberation 😀
The legend is when people move some phenomena out of contest and expect it to be true. 😛
If you like to play your CD's through a wah-wah pedal I don't mind.
😀😀😀
In case you get the urge to think: how much time does the feedback signal take from the deviation of your bicycle from straight path, to your eyes, to your brain processing, generating a control signal, send it to your hands/arms to do the correction, and you never (almost never) fall down? Isn't feedback wonderful . 😀
Jan
Jan, you've neglected one thing in this analogy... it works WAY better if the bicycle is moving!
When the bicycle is moving the "falling" is always behind you...
...so try the balance thing with the bike standing still? Not so easy, although some may be able to do it, but usually not with the wheels straight ahead...
(actually the gyroscopic forces help keep you up)
_-_-
Bear; did you ever try to amplify with current not flowing? It would be a breakthrough in energy saving! ;-)
Feedback reduces distortion, except in this thread.
So, op-amps do have more than one downside after all.
1 - They are painful when stood on.
2 - They are painful when sat on.
This thread turned out to be quite a revelation after all then eh 🙄
Except for one minor detail.
It reduces distortion but also shifts/add distortion products elsewhere in the spectrum, albeit at reduced levels compared to the best case no feedback or less feedback. The argument revolves mostly around IF these changes are audible and/or objectionable.
Still no free lunch.
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Bear; did you ever try to amplify with current not flowing? It would be a breakthrough in energy saving! ;-)
I did, but things became absolutely very COLD. 🙄
But why do you say this?
I did, but things became absolutely very COLD. 🙄
But why do you say this?
Due to inertia. Like when riding a bicycle. ;-)
<snip for content> real simple take Walt Jung's plain vanilla op-amp RIAA and his passive RIAA and null them like a bridge. Smearing should show up, it won't. </snip for content>
It's entirely possible that some differences may appear when not using a steady state signal?
Due to inertia. Like when riding a bicycle. ;-)
And inertia also will also speed your self through the air when you lose control of your bicycle, there Wavy!
It's entirely possible that some differences may appear when not using a steady state signal?
Sure! When RIAA network is in feedback loop of the same opamp it exhibits less distortions on a higher end due to deeper feedback!
In case you get the urge to think: how much time does the feedback signal take from the deviation of your bicycle from straight path, to your eyes, to your brain processing, generating a control signal, send it to your hands/arms to do the correction, and you never (almost never) fall down? Isn't feedback wonderful . 😀
Jan
You're so wrong on so many levels that it's not even funny. Have you ever wondered why people need to "learn driving a bicycle" before they can actually drive one confidently? What that "learning" process actually does to the brain? And why based on feedback alone (with no prior learning) they tend to fall?
Feedback reduces distortion, except in this thread.
So, op-amps do have more than one downside after all.
1 - They are painful when stood on.
2 - They are painful when sat on.
This thread turned out to be quite a revelation after all then eh 🙄
we'll soon find out whether:
3 - They are painful when used as alien probes.

You're so wrong on so many levels that it's not even funny. Have you ever wondered why people need to "learn driving a bicycle" before they can actually drive one confidently? What that "learning" process actually does to the brain? And why based on feedback alone (with no prior learning) they tend to fall?
Nothing is wrong.
Learning to drive is constructing of nested feedback loops.
Sure! When RIAA network is in feedback loop of the same opamp it exhibits less distortions on a higher end due to deeper feedback!
say what??
It's entirely possible that some differences may appear when not using a steady state signal?
No, bear if we have to rationalize the discussion of these issues with grade school analogies of "how things work" this is a waste of time. You have to make the effort to go past first base, sorry.
Nothing is wrong.
Learning to drive is constructing of nested feedback loops.
It's actually learning the effects of your actions. So you can use them predictively.
Feedback alone can't predict.
It's actually learning the effects of your actions. So you can use them predictively.
Feedback alone can't predict.
No learning of effects is possible without feedback.
No learning of effects is possible without feedback.
Learning without feedback is possible. You don't actually need to hit a tree in order to learn how to avoid it.
And BTW how did you create your account here, through trial and error or by reading the instructions?
Now I'm hearing this.If you like to play your CD's through a wah-wah pedal I don't mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZuFq4CfRR8
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