There's no perpetual motion involved here at all. You simply seem unable to grasp this very simple concept. The difficulty is/was in designing the circuit that can vary the real time production of hydrogen via electrolysis. That's what's actually been invented. Everything else remains unchanged.
This is not feasible without adding some additional energy source in there. Why? Because it takes 50 kWh of electricity to produce 40 kWh of hydrogen energy - so a short fall of 20%.
Now, if you tell me you will set such a system up, but add some batteries and/or a small gasoline powered motor and/or solar panels make up the difference, then I am with you. And that would be a good system in principle because for a 100 kW auto output at the wheels, you'd only need a 20 kW gasoline engine, so a big saving on emissions.
Now, if you tell me you will set such a system up, but add some batteries and/or a small gasoline powered motor and/or solar panels make up the difference, then I am with you. And that would be a good system in principle because for a 100 kW auto output at the wheels, you'd only need a 20 kW gasoline engine, so a big saving on emissions.
Diesel-Electric Locomotives have an engine connected to an electric generator which then powers motors on the wheels.
This is done because a train needs torque to pull away, which would otherwise need an elaborate gearbox and clutch. They are 80% efficient and low maintenance.
Adding an intermediate hydrogen stage in some fashion would probably be equally lossy.
Problem with hydrogen is it's hard to store in a compact volume. Not ideal for cars.
This is done because a train needs torque to pull away, which would otherwise need an elaborate gearbox and clutch. They are 80% efficient and low maintenance.
Adding an intermediate hydrogen stage in some fashion would probably be equally lossy.
Problem with hydrogen is it's hard to store in a compact volume. Not ideal for cars.
That problem may be partly solved with Pete's "hydrogen on demand" technology!
Hydrogen Generators for Cars and Trucks | Hydrogen Cars Now
The technology, if proved to work as well as some vendors suggest, will increase gasoline mileage and reduce emissions.
The "hydrogen on demand" technology is better described as "hydrogen boosting technology".
You still need gasoline!
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The transmission may approach 80%(gen eff x motor eff), but the diesel is only 37-39% efficient(okay, let's dream about 50%, doesn't change much).
The electrical transmission is mechanically simpler and much more durable, shows someone was using their bean.
Disco-pete will have to calculate engine efficiency x aternator eff x electrolysis eff x motor eff x dirvetrain eff (with a side calc for what portion the battery's eff affects).
Unfortunately, there is no free lunch- if I give you a sammich, and don't charge you, I have paid for it.
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The electrical transmission is mechanically simpler and much more durable, shows someone was using their bean.
Disco-pete will have to calculate engine efficiency x aternator eff x electrolysis eff x motor eff x dirvetrain eff (with a side calc for what portion the battery's eff affects).
Unfortunately, there is no free lunch- if I give you a sammich, and don't charge you, I have paid for it.
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I see the Hydrogen Cars site was also infested with those adverts for reducing your electricity bill now!
$251 per month drops to $15 a month with the amazing plug in gadget.
I have seen this one before. Reviews are variable. 😀
"Why, it's working already!"
or "I bought one, and it doesn't do a bloody thing!"
I still don't get how you don't end up burning more gasoline to make hydrogen. 😕
$251 per month drops to $15 a month with the amazing plug in gadget.
I have seen this one before. Reviews are variable. 😀
"Why, it's working already!"
or "I bought one, and it doesn't do a bloody thing!"
I still don't get how you don't end up burning more gasoline to make hydrogen. 😕
The additional energy source is the alternator, that thing already in there that charges the battery. This concept has been put to the test and proven successful. No additional power sources required other than the existing alternator. You can install the amperage needed, but the power source is the engine itself, powered by hydrogen. The reason it is feasible is because demand is not constant but variable as the concept itself accommodates. A very small storage tank may be needed for acceleration but is immediately used up afterward. As Galu points out, onboard generators are in wide spread use but the concept has been taken all the way successfully.
The energy it takes to extract hydrogen from water is, at best, the same energy you get out of hydrogen when it recombines with oxygen.
A more general explanation is in the Three Laws of Thermodynamics.
I've been checking out the energy involved in the electrolysis of water, not that it lends much to the argument. However, since I spent the time, I'll share my findings here! 😎
237 kJ of electrical energy releases 2 g of hydrogen and 16 g of oxygen.
I then found that the energy available from a 12 V ; 100 Ah car battery (allowing 50% depth of discharge) is around 2,000,000 J.
A quick calculation shows that this is enough energy to release around 17 g of hydrogen.
There, my time has not been completely wasted! 😉
But, there's more! 🙂
A car's alternator can output a maximum of around 2,500 W = 2,500 J/s.
If all that energy production went into electrolysis, it would take around 95 s for the alternator to produce 2 g of hydrogen.
A car travelling at 60 mph would travel a distance of approximately 1.6 miles in that time.
All that is approbo of nothing, but it kept me off the whisky for a wee while! 😉
237 kJ of electrical energy releases 2 g of hydrogen and 16 g of oxygen.
I then found that the energy available from a 12 V ; 100 Ah car battery (allowing 50% depth of discharge) is around 2,000,000 J.
A quick calculation shows that this is enough energy to release around 17 g of hydrogen.
There, my time has not been completely wasted! 😉
But, there's more! 🙂
A car's alternator can output a maximum of around 2,500 W = 2,500 J/s.
If all that energy production went into electrolysis, it would take around 95 s for the alternator to produce 2 g of hydrogen.
A car travelling at 60 mph would travel a distance of approximately 1.6 miles in that time.
All that is approbo of nothing, but it kept me off the whisky for a wee while! 😉
I don't care if this Hydrogen Car is powered by Leprechauns on bicycles. It's not going to work!
Unless Lisa Simpson designed it. 😀
We obey the Laws of Thermodynamics in this house. 🙄
Unless Lisa Simpson designed it. 😀
We obey the Laws of Thermodynamics in this house. 🙄
Do the math, Pete.
And show us your work.
And stop making me sound like my mother!(she was a teacher)
And show us your work.
And stop making me sound like my mother!(she was a teacher)
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