Yeah. It as the Greeks who discovered Pi hundreds of yrs later - although I watched a NatGeo show that said a lot of this stuff came from the Babylonians. Who knows, but the numbers look interesting. Pure fluke.
How did they get that number without explicitly knowing Pi?
How did they get that number without explicitly knowing Pi?
Much as I enjoy the intracasies of Gravity, I am a particle Physicist at Heart.
Neutral Kaons, Muons, even the relatively dull Electron.
TBH, I don't think there is much to be discovered about the 3 generations of particles.
For sure, the Standard Model has problems:
Standard Model - Wikipedia
But frankly, everything else is WORSE! 😕
Am currently interested in Algebraicist Carl Brannen's work:
Brannen Works
As a Geometer I have tried to knock this into shape. Where I've got to so far.
Neutral Kaons, Muons, even the relatively dull Electron.
TBH, I don't think there is much to be discovered about the 3 generations of particles.
For sure, the Standard Model has problems:
Standard Model - Wikipedia
But frankly, everything else is WORSE! 😕
Am currently interested in Algebraicist Carl Brannen's work:
Brannen Works
As a Geometer I have tried to knock this into shape. Where I've got to so far.
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I won't get too excited until that 3.1 sigma or one in 1,000 chance of the results being a statistical quirk becomes 5 sigma, where the chance is reduced to one in 3.5 million!
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Geometers hold the key to unlock the mysteries of the Universe!As a Geometer I have tried to knock this into shape.

Attached, is what Russian geometer Nikolai Lobachevsky (1792-1856) had to say about the importance of mathematics.
The asteroid 1858 Lobachevsky was named after him, as was the lunar crater Lobachevsky.
Little comfort, given that he died nearly blind, unable to walk and in poverty! 🙁
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I have always considered Lobachevsky to be phoney. A plagiarist. 😀
For gravity, we rank Kepler, Newton and Einstein as players.
In algebra, it must be Euler, Gauss, Riemann and Klein.
But LOBACHEVSKY? 😕
"One man deserves the credit, one man deserves the blame. And Nikolai Ivanovich Lobachevsky is his name..." 🙄
Tom Lehrer - Lobachevsky (with lyrics) '1953 - YouTube
For gravity, we rank Kepler, Newton and Einstein as players.
In algebra, it must be Euler, Gauss, Riemann and Klein.
But LOBACHEVSKY? 😕
"One man deserves the credit, one man deserves the blame. And Nikolai Ivanovich Lobachevsky is his name..." 🙄
Tom Lehrer - Lobachevsky (with lyrics) '1953 - YouTube
As a mathematician, Tom Lehrer makes a good satirist! 😀
"Life is like a sewer... what you get out of it depends on what you put into it." - Tom Lehrer
"Life is like a sewer... what you get out of it depends on what you put into it." - Tom Lehrer
Tom Lehrer failed to complete a long-standing mathematics PhD on modes in statistics. He concluded he had nothing original to contribute academically. It was academia that he satirised when he wrote in ‘Lobachevsky’: “Plagiarize!/Let no one else’s work evade your eyes!/… So don’t shade your eyes,/but plagiarize, plagiarize, plagiarize/- only be sure always to call it, please, research.”I have always considered Lobachevsky to be phoney. A plagiarist. 😀
"One man deserves the credit, one man deserves the blame. And Nikolai Ivanovich Lobachevsky is his name..." 🙄
So, the song was aimed at academia in general, and the name "Lobachevsky" was only chosen for reasons of meter and syllable stress.
In the liner notes to the song Lehrer writes: "[the song is] not intended as a slur on [Lobachevsky's] character" and the name was chosen "solely for prosodic reasons".
I think a bit more research should be done before casting aspersions on a man's character.
This is very sloppy work from you, Steve! 😀
I won't get too excited until that 3.1 sigma or one in 1,000 chance of the results being a statistical quirk becomes 5 sigma, where the chance is reduced to one in 3.5 million!
Yes -that is what the researchers are saying. I think the Higgs was eventually 6 sigma
Foucault's pendulum is an interesting experiment. Sufficiently good engineers could have built one 5,000 years ago. I wonder if they did? 😕
Foucault pendulum - Wikipedia
My investigations have revealed that 30 degrees is the crucial angle:
But what I most noticed is that the Great Pyramid was built on a latitude of 30N. Coincidence? I think not. 😎
Pyramid Calculator
Great Pyramid of Giza - Wikipedia
The height was 280 Royal Cubits. The length of the 4 bases 440 Royal Cubits. A Cubit being about half a metre.
Perimeter length over height = 1760 / 280 = 6.2857...
That is 2 Pi, my friends. Mystery of Pyramids solved. 😀
Pi would have popped out based on their construction drawing. So no mystery there, and no need for the Greeks to be involved!
At first glance, it looks like the ancient Egyptians "hid" the value for pi in the dimensions of the Great Pyramid.
If the ancient Egyptians hid pi in one pyramid, why wouldn't they do the same in others?
Well, it appears they didn't! 😉
Ideas like this arise because people look just at one pyramid and play around with various dimensions looking for relationships.
It's a property of any typical pyramid that 2 x the base divided by the height will be around 3, provided the slope angle is around 50 degrees.
Khufu's Pyramid does not "contain” À (Pi)… | Prof’s Ancient Egypt | Derek Hitchins
If the ancient Egyptians hid pi in one pyramid, why wouldn't they do the same in others?
Well, it appears they didn't! 😉
Ideas like this arise because people look just at one pyramid and play around with various dimensions looking for relationships.
It's a property of any typical pyramid that 2 x the base divided by the height will be around 3, provided the slope angle is around 50 degrees.
Khufu's Pyramid does not "contain” À (Pi)… | Prof’s Ancient Egypt | Derek Hitchins
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Galu said:In the liner notes to the song Lehrer writes: "[the song is] not intended as a slur on [Lobachevsky's] character" and the name was chosen "solely for prosodic reasons".
I think a bit more research should be done before casting aspersions on a man's character.
This is very sloppy work from you, Steve!
Chastisement accepted. Resolved to be better person and not cast Nasturtiums. 😱
Onto Bonsai's new physics (allegedly).
Cern experiment hints at new force of nature | Large Hadron Collider | The Guardian
I had to dig around to know what a B Meson is. B stands for Bottom. Who makes these names up? 😕
Bottom quarks have a mass of 4.18 GeV, which is about 4X the mass of a 938 MeV proton if I haven't lost my touch. Interestingly the Top quark is hugely more massive at 172 GeV. Exceeding even the Higgs and the W and Z bosons.
More research needed. 🙂
Particle physicists - one would think they would have more imagination!Who makes these names up? 😕

Actually, the way physicists make up names is quite interesting.
Physicists can be whimsical in naming things. Often, the names are random and poetic in nature.
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Physicists can be whimsical in naming things. Often, the names are random and poetic in nature.
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Physics Folklore[/SIZE]The meson was originally called the "X-particle" by Carl Anderson and Seth Neddermeyer. Eventually it was found to be a middleweight particle, or "middle particle" between the light lepton and the heavy baryon. The Caltech group promoted the name "mesotron" for it, from the Greek "mesos" for "intermediate" or "middle." This was the name generally used, although the particle was also called the "meson" or "heavy electron" in Europe.
What’s in a name? In physics, everything and nothing | PBS NewsHourIf it were up to Peter Higgs, the Higgs boson would be called “ABEGHHK’tH,” an unpronounceable amalgamation of the eight scientists whose work served as basis for the theory in the 1950s and 1960s: Philip Anderson, Robert Brout, Francois Englert, Gerald Guralnik, Carl Hagen, Peter Higgs, Thomas Kibble and Gerard ‘t Hooft.
I knew we'd seen this one before:
Cern experiment hints at new force of nature | Large Hadron Collider | The Guardian
We discussed it about a hundred pages back:
https://www.quantamagazine.org/growing-anomalies-at-the-large-hadron-collider-hint-at-new-particles-20200526/
Still researching it. Anomolous B Meson decay. And trying to find our previous discussion, which was about the Large Hadron Collider. Am sure Galu produced some pictures of the 4 main detection chambers.
Cern experiment hints at new force of nature | Large Hadron Collider | The Guardian
We discussed it about a hundred pages back:
https://www.quantamagazine.org/growing-anomalies-at-the-large-hadron-collider-hint-at-new-particles-20200526/
Still researching it. Anomolous B Meson decay. And trying to find our previous discussion, which was about the Large Hadron Collider. Am sure Galu produced some pictures of the 4 main detection chambers.
Hadron colliders need not be big. I am presently building a small-scale model. I will let you know my findings.
N101N, I think you may be confusing a LHC with an HTC mobile phone..
But I cast no Nasturtiums on your plan. 😱
Some progress made on this B Meson Muon decay business at LHCb.
What is the Universe expanding into..
Beyond the Higgs: What's Next for the LHC? - with Harry Cliff - YouTube
TBH, I didn't understand a word of these papers:
New results on theoretically clean observables in rare B-meson decays from LHCb (23 March 2021) * Indico
We might be in for a new Z' Boson or a leptoquark. No I don't know what they are either. As far as I have got. 😕
But I cast no Nasturtiums on your plan. 😱
Some progress made on this B Meson Muon decay business at LHCb.
What is the Universe expanding into..
Beyond the Higgs: What's Next for the LHC? - with Harry Cliff - YouTube
TBH, I didn't understand a word of these papers:
New results on theoretically clean observables in rare B-meson decays from LHCb (23 March 2021) * Indico
We might be in for a new Z' Boson or a leptoquark. No I don't know what they are either. As far as I have got. 😕
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