I took a second pass at this.
I think we are multi dimensional in that we can be "observed" from 5d space and so on but as if we are on a separate plane. However, the interaction is one way, just like we can't interact interact with time, like pushing on a string.
I do think we are multi dimensional in that we are affected by other dimensions. Like, if a force on a 5d plane changed their interaction with 3d space in some way, we would be able to experience it. Now, how that falls over the precipitation of the 4d that's a whole different deal.
But ultimately, if we are star dust, then we are certainly from a higher 5d space, just like all matter as we know it could be precipitated from 5d to 3d over the 4d as we interpret it.
So, if there is a "2d" it can't interact with us, but we could interact with it, if we ever find it, near the region of absolute zero at the collapse of spacetime precipitating into 2d... which perhaps is what happens when all the random appearances and self annihilations cease and then exist in a 2d state...
Holy coincidence batman... I guess there are others who are thinking in some parallel fashion to my own idea...
Did the universe originate from a hyper-dimensional black hole?
Its interesting,
I don't see any reason the singularity couldn't be in a black hole at the start of the universe.
However the problem still remains where is the black hole..where did it get its matter from to create the singularity..but then again matter is energy so its the energy thing again..what is energy? (where does it come from)
matter is energy<<<<(what goes here)>>>>energy is matter
The (what goes here) could be infinity or nothing or?
Theoretically the black hole would comply with rules but not of the universe...which wouldn't exist yet..
This creates the question, are dimensions outside of time?
Can there be a change without time? There lies another question can something else be like time..another dimension?
Can change happen in another way..not requiring time..(we assume time must happen for change to take place) theoretically this can't be true unless time is outside the universe for the big bang to happen.
ie before everything there was time..is time a force that can exist without matter or energy..or is time created by energy?
Its all a bit nuts..
Its a bit like saying..
In the beginning there was time..and time waited..
After a while time got restless and a potential energy was created.
The nothing parted and a massive amount of energy created a black hole.
There is one thing for sure time is a force to be reckoned with! Is time an illusion because of change<<what is change..is it something else that creates the illusion of time?
ie change happens and time is the result..does time have to be perceived to exist? (does time drive change or does change drive time)
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M. Gregg
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Perhaps the bit that's missing is "change"..what creates it?
The other two would seem to be the result.
Another word that would seem to fit is "intent".. but this would require the rules of the game..intent usually requires purpose.
So lets stick with change..because there can't theoretically be purpose.
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M. Gregg
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I also now have a strange feeling,
If intelligence can exist it can be made..and a stupid thought that is inspired by Stephen Hawking..
There is no afterlife for broken computers..
Sentience..(does it exist?) could an AI be sentient?
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M. Gregg
If intelligence can exist it can be made..and a stupid thought that is inspired by Stephen Hawking..
There is no afterlife for broken computers..
Sentience..(does it exist?) could an AI be sentient?
Regards
M. Gregg
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Maybe ... just maybe, that's what's at the heart of it ... that "intent" is the great driver, and the rest of the universe has to follow that rule 😉
Theoretically,
If you can't make intelligent life then the only reason I could see, is part of it is in energy (possibly in another dimension) not accessible to us on the 4D plain..
Just for fun.. 😀
You never hear of a computer poltergeist or contact though a Ouija board..😀 (that would be a shock)
Where are all the dead Aliens...
In films its an entity takes over the computer..not the actual computer..because we think life is linked to biological entities..
I have heard the saying ghost in the machine.
http://www.quora.com/Is-the-human-brain-analog-or-digital
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M. Gregg
If you can't make intelligent life then the only reason I could see, is part of it is in energy (possibly in another dimension) not accessible to us on the 4D plain..
Just for fun.. 😀
You never hear of a computer poltergeist or contact though a Ouija board..😀 (that would be a shock)
Where are all the dead Aliens...
In films its an entity takes over the computer..not the actual computer..because we think life is linked to biological entities..
I have heard the saying ghost in the machine.
http://www.quora.com/Is-the-human-brain-analog-or-digital
Regards
M. Gregg
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I've been tossing this thought around lately. If there is 4d plus spacetime as we know it... Maybe in 5d, it's the same as 4d (our own version) but it's 3(xyz + 2T) meaning it's a static universe. It has dual potential, heat but the arrow of time is null. Maybe out version happened because 5d was affected by 6d in some way, whatever 6d or I think Mtheory has something up to 10d, with some of them being all conjoined in some way after 5d.
I think our energy emanated from a point source, leaving a breakdown of 5d. Again if 5d is 3d + 2t, then a change in state would have a big problem in that world so perhaps the sets of 3d+2t and 3d+1t are mutually exclusive, so until the lack of 3d+2t stabilized back from 3d+1t due to some unknown quantity then that was the period of 1t that elapsed before energy stopped entering our 3d+1 spacetime. Otherwise, our universe would have a constant source of new energy being added, which we haven't yet observed.
Perhaps, our idea of 3d, really has nothing to do with the reality of other universes anyway. If our "space" has a weak cosmological constant anyway... who is to say our perception has anything to do with what is "normal?" Perhaps, 5t is really something more curious like 2t+(who knows what, potential energy, plus all the other dimensions/attributes Mtheory implies). Maybe our experience of spacetime is so funky because it exists in a state that isn't stable anyway like a bubble in water.
Who is to say that again, space is normal, because we see it "deform" by the presence of "matter", perhaps the normal state is "time" and space is just the deformation of "time" as it is dilated under the pressure of matter as we fall (precipitate) through it.
So if time is getting pushed around by our own matter, and is not in balance with the dimension surrounding us then perhaps it is just (sp) ameliorating down to nothing in which the state of our "matter" will just stop falling through it and again return to a constant static state, which may just revert back to being enveloped by the warehouse of 5d+ world which is also in a static state because the arrow of time his held in check. So once it goes back to a zero potential state, all bonds will fall back apart (absolute zero energy), all the bits will revert back into the tiniest of particles to recycle back to the top of the slide, acquiring potential of time and other things, until the next time a pocket of 1t happens and the spark of time spinning down happens again.
I think our energy emanated from a point source, leaving a breakdown of 5d. Again if 5d is 3d + 2t, then a change in state would have a big problem in that world so perhaps the sets of 3d+2t and 3d+1t are mutually exclusive, so until the lack of 3d+2t stabilized back from 3d+1t due to some unknown quantity then that was the period of 1t that elapsed before energy stopped entering our 3d+1 spacetime. Otherwise, our universe would have a constant source of new energy being added, which we haven't yet observed.
Perhaps, our idea of 3d, really has nothing to do with the reality of other universes anyway. If our "space" has a weak cosmological constant anyway... who is to say our perception has anything to do with what is "normal?" Perhaps, 5t is really something more curious like 2t+(who knows what, potential energy, plus all the other dimensions/attributes Mtheory implies). Maybe our experience of spacetime is so funky because it exists in a state that isn't stable anyway like a bubble in water.
Who is to say that again, space is normal, because we see it "deform" by the presence of "matter", perhaps the normal state is "time" and space is just the deformation of "time" as it is dilated under the pressure of matter as we fall (precipitate) through it.
So if time is getting pushed around by our own matter, and is not in balance with the dimension surrounding us then perhaps it is just (sp) ameliorating down to nothing in which the state of our "matter" will just stop falling through it and again return to a constant static state, which may just revert back to being enveloped by the warehouse of 5d+ world which is also in a static state because the arrow of time his held in check. So once it goes back to a zero potential state, all bonds will fall back apart (absolute zero energy), all the bits will revert back into the tiniest of particles to recycle back to the top of the slide, acquiring potential of time and other things, until the next time a pocket of 1t happens and the spark of time spinning down happens again.
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I really can't comment on the above, I have no opinion. It's movies.
I think, we can't interact directly with a 5d plain because we don't share a common "classical" experience of reality.
Conversely, if there is a "multiverse" of infinite worlds, possibilities, we likely don't share any common planes with them, we just happen to both be enveloped by 5d+ space. Like two boats on the water, cutting a curl of froth in it, we may both be in the water, but if we're the froth, we would have to cut across 5d space to get to other 4d spaces... which isn't impossible, and perhaps why wormholes could be enticing.
We might be connected, but I don't know if any information could pass between us because of classic thermodynamics... but that could be suspended if we share a common set of 4d space rules. And we'd have no idea that we don't share a common 4d space, because we'd have know way to tell the difference.
Perhaps dark matter can exist in our own perception (why we think it is there) as a bubble of 5d space bouncing around in our own space until it rejoins the larger mass of 5d space ... a self contained membrane, asymptotically existing without interacting - like the event horizon of a black hole... another seemingly asymptotic relationship.
You are right. A disquieting thought, all of this.
I can't comment on intent. I think the same as I do before about viruses, computing, humans. We have action, because we are. Acting in an "intelligent" fashion is merely an interpretation of a changing state. That's it.
If I had to take a wild, wild, dart and throw it at a general direction I would first consider whether that if classic thermodynamics holds a great majority of the time in our space, since our arrow of time is to entropy, that the matter we have in our universe existed in 5d space as whatever bits they might have been... likely smaller than our current understanding of subatomic particles. Because, in that state of dual potential (entropy - order being mostly in balance) you have the same net effect. Even if the potential is high due to the presence of energy imparted in a heretofore unknown mechanism other than the vibration of our own particles.
Or perhaps it is more simple than that. In 5d space, there is no potential, (order/disorder) because the state doesn't change, nothing moves. But when 5d breaks into 4d (whichever direction order/disorder, perhaps it is just a word, maybe it is all entropy when set in motion) the matter that falls into 4d the energy is imparted due to the resistive force of time/space... which releases energy when the matter is too densely compacted to be contained in a point source...
So nothing created matter from our perspective. It simply came into being as its own static "dust". Maybe matter is 5d is just best thought as cosmic "gunpowder".
And as time lost its static state it was then pushed, formed, vaporized, accreted, ignited into the fireworks we know as atoms, molecules, nebulas, gas giants, asteroids, iron cores, on and on because it started falling through the process of entropy; bubbles in the water.
Which could mean there is no real reference to time. Time is just an imbalanced state we mark with the clicking of an artificial measure.
Seems like a lot of this would be better represented with boolean, binary, maths. I think in general we make silly assumptions that ours is a "normal" state.
I think we are the strange curiosity.
You know what this means though.
"Transporter beams are purely stupid". We can't take energy and put it into an ordered state no more than we can take ash and turn it back into wood. Once it is lost as heat/energy it can't go back into matter. Same reason time machines don't work. We can't see into a state of space that hasn't decayed yet, because we decay with it. And we can't go back in time, because it's already gone, evaporated away as our matter continues to deform spacetime.
I hate this idea. So disappointing.
It also means that hawking radiation has nothing to do with an event horizon. Because the relationship is asymptotic, we will never see anything actually enter the black hole, because we can't. And hawking radiation, if it is there, is likely just echoes of the collapsed star before the black hole ever acquired it's properties. We don't have an information paradox with black holes. They work just fine, we're just upset that we can't measure it directly.
I can't comment on intent. I think the same as I do before about viruses, computing, humans. We have action, because we are. Acting in an "intelligent" fashion is merely an interpretation of a changing state. That's it.
If I had to take a wild, wild, dart and throw it at a general direction I would first consider whether that if classic thermodynamics holds a great majority of the time in our space, since our arrow of time is to entropy, that the matter we have in our universe existed in 5d space as whatever bits they might have been... likely smaller than our current understanding of subatomic particles. Because, in that state of dual potential (entropy - order being mostly in balance) you have the same net effect. Even if the potential is high due to the presence of energy imparted in a heretofore unknown mechanism other than the vibration of our own particles.
Or perhaps it is more simple than that. In 5d space, there is no potential, (order/disorder) because the state doesn't change, nothing moves. But when 5d breaks into 4d (whichever direction order/disorder, perhaps it is just a word, maybe it is all entropy when set in motion) the matter that falls into 4d the energy is imparted due to the resistive force of time/space... which releases energy when the matter is too densely compacted to be contained in a point source...
So nothing created matter from our perspective. It simply came into being as its own static "dust". Maybe matter is 5d is just best thought as cosmic "gunpowder".
And as time lost its static state it was then pushed, formed, vaporized, accreted, ignited into the fireworks we know as atoms, molecules, nebulas, gas giants, asteroids, iron cores, on and on because it started falling through the process of entropy; bubbles in the water.
Which could mean there is no real reference to time. Time is just an imbalanced state we mark with the clicking of an artificial measure.
Seems like a lot of this would be better represented with boolean, binary, maths. I think in general we make silly assumptions that ours is a "normal" state.
I think we are the strange curiosity.
You know what this means though.
"Transporter beams are purely stupid". We can't take energy and put it into an ordered state no more than we can take ash and turn it back into wood. Once it is lost as heat/energy it can't go back into matter. Same reason time machines don't work. We can't see into a state of space that hasn't decayed yet, because we decay with it. And we can't go back in time, because it's already gone, evaporated away as our matter continues to deform spacetime.
I hate this idea. So disappointing.
It also means that hawking radiation has nothing to do with an event horizon. Because the relationship is asymptotic, we will never see anything actually enter the black hole, because we can't. And hawking radiation, if it is there, is likely just echoes of the collapsed star before the black hole ever acquired it's properties. We don't have an information paradox with black holes. They work just fine, we're just upset that we can't measure it directly.
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The forward motion in time seems to correlate with the increasing entropy of the universe.
In the first monent of the Big Bang, there was zero entropy and none of the dimensions existed, not even time.
In the first monent of the Big Bang, there was zero entropy and none of the dimensions existed, not even time.
Just a thought,
What is a second?
It doesn't seem to be a measure of happenings...how much can happen in a second..or how little?
There seems to be a problem which way is up or down, its only relevant to an identified point. Then again is a point of reference a point in time or a static point of reference? If time ended would everything be now? Or would everything cease to exist?
I remember in Constantine (film) the idea was that when you pass over time stops..a micro second in hell is an eternity. Its an interesting idea,,😀
We appear to embody the hopes and dreams of the universe..Almost like a question if the universe was alive asking I am alive what am I supposed to do now?
So we appear and we don't know the answer either..what does it mean to exist...If we are an embodiment of wave functions then you have to ask can life be made by the universe from wave functions that themselves are not alive..if that was true then we are all one entity or linked in some way through existence.
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M. Gregg
What is a second?
It doesn't seem to be a measure of happenings...how much can happen in a second..or how little?
There seems to be a problem which way is up or down, its only relevant to an identified point. Then again is a point of reference a point in time or a static point of reference? If time ended would everything be now? Or would everything cease to exist?
I remember in Constantine (film) the idea was that when you pass over time stops..a micro second in hell is an eternity. Its an interesting idea,,😀
We appear to embody the hopes and dreams of the universe..Almost like a question if the universe was alive asking I am alive what am I supposed to do now?
So we appear and we don't know the answer either..what does it mean to exist...If we are an embodiment of wave functions then you have to ask can life be made by the universe from wave functions that themselves are not alive..if that was true then we are all one entity or linked in some way through existence.
Regards
M. Gregg
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If you are not alive you can't die..
Is to exist to be alive..or just to be..If you are a wave function how can a wave function be alive?
The only other thing is life is another form of energy a transposition a bit like an allotrope.. or perhaps a wave function of energy..😀
Does energy have free will?
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M. Gregg
Is to exist to be alive..or just to be..If you are a wave function how can a wave function be alive?
The only other thing is life is another form of energy a transposition a bit like an allotrope.. or perhaps a wave function of energy..😀
Does energy have free will?
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M. Gregg
Absolute zero = all waves has stopped "waving". Nothing moves. Everything is status quo.
The prediction of the universe is that all stars eventually fade away, its get dark and cold as the last drop of energy fades aways as the last foton waves away. So where did in this thesis all energy go? Out in the infinite universe?
The thread title question assumes that the universe is all the tangible matter.
The tangible matter/energy in the universe is expanding into the infinite universe space!
Or actually the answer would be : Nothing. Silch. nada. Niente...
QED? 🙂
The prediction of the universe is that all stars eventually fade away, its get dark and cold as the last drop of energy fades aways as the last foton waves away. So where did in this thesis all energy go? Out in the infinite universe?
The thread title question assumes that the universe is all the tangible matter.
The tangible matter/energy in the universe is expanding into the infinite universe space!
Or actually the answer would be : Nothing. Silch. nada. Niente...
QED? 🙂
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And out there in "nothing", the temoerature is 0 so nothing is going on. But as the tangible universe is expanding into this nothingness its heated and thus, time starts ticking in these places.
My occam razor, mind resting, model is that the tangible part of the universe is pulsating in and out in an infinite space with the frequency of 100 billion years. So yes- big implosions feeding the big bangs. And these has been and will be ongoing for ever.
Aaa, now I can die.
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My occam razor, mind resting, model is that the tangible part of the universe is pulsating in and out in an infinite space with the frequency of 100 billion years. So yes- big implosions feeding the big bangs. And these has been and will be ongoing for ever.
Aaa, now I can die.
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There are some inconsistencies I'm trying to resolve in the above.
Time stops --> absolute zero. But how is that symmetrical? How can the second affect the first. We will always be asymptotically related to absolute zero because time cannot stop until it runs out, which it will... eventually. But at that point, there will be no atoms, either. Cosmic dust.
Energy was the appearance of matter in our universe when it dropped from a higher dimension. Before then, it was in a static state - hypothetically, at its own state of zero entropy.
Once it started falling through time, the kinetic energy created from the expansion of time allowed matter to form into atoms, accretions, asteroids, gasses, planets.
We have no influence on whether things come to be around us, rather it's our observation on the effects of our own energy and the changes we observe that are made by the influence of other dimensions and weakly interacting matter e.g. WIMPs.
Time stops --> absolute zero. But how is that symmetrical? How can the second affect the first. We will always be asymptotically related to absolute zero because time cannot stop until it runs out, which it will... eventually. But at that point, there will be no atoms, either. Cosmic dust.
Energy was the appearance of matter in our universe when it dropped from a higher dimension. Before then, it was in a static state - hypothetically, at its own state of zero entropy.
Once it started falling through time, the kinetic energy created from the expansion of time allowed matter to form into atoms, accretions, asteroids, gasses, planets.
We have no influence on whether things come to be around us, rather it's our observation on the effects of our own energy and the changes we observe that are made by the influence of other dimensions and weakly interacting matter e.g. WIMPs.
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