maybe...i dont want to contradict that....
however, the more we study the humans(and other creatures), the more come to see that what appeared to be decided by the person entirely,
in fact was cause by a series of event which can be defined.
an example of this progression:
we tend more and more to discredit responsibility for people accused of murder,
stating that it was not ultimately HIS fault, but the cause of a series of event that led to this.
thus he did not decide to murder but was forced to, if i can say artistically...
Science is all assumption. So anything we can imagine is a pretense of reality. Is it possible that the CMB and the Higgs have meaning and relevance only in your mind? How do you know that everything outside of your head is not just a reflection of your mind? Why only 11 dimensions? Seems odd putting a limit on infinity. Where is the universe? Right here is as good a place as any.
Yes, there is more to it than meets the eye. I have heard from
a person whose job is to talk to people enprisoned and see
if he can find out what kind of life did these criminals have
particularly childhood and almost all of them were either
severely mistreated and abandoned by parents, in a few words
grew up without ever being loved.
One will understand this pretty much fully if it happend to him.
The solution to a problem is not just to put the criminals away
from society. They need to be cured. There is not a single man
completely good or bad. The good core every human has in itself
needs to be accentuated and when the person involved starts to believe
that, the healing process will start. Anyone can change, so I believe.
🙂
what i would like to see more is ex-prisonners(for instance) talk publicly about what they have been through, and things they know now, they didnt know before.
visits in schools maybe?
what is the universe expanding into? it's got to be my sister in law's ***... nothing can be that big without a reason!
Well, my view of things encompasses quite a lot. More than needs to be posted here, and enough to get me in trouble with moderators.
I believe it was you that mentioned "two ways" a few pages back. I'll only direct you to Oppenheimer/Comte/Nock on that subject.
As to putting a man on the moon, I think it highly relevant to perceive it, in part, the same way one would the swimming of the English Channel, the ascent of Mt. Everest, or Lindbergh's solo crossing. "Because it's there."
A triumph of human will, ability, and spirit.
I believe it was you that mentioned "two ways" a few pages back. I'll only direct you to Oppenheimer/Comte/Nock on that subject.
As to putting a man on the moon, I think it highly relevant to perceive it, in part, the same way one would the swimming of the English Channel, the ascent of Mt. Everest, or Lindbergh's solo crossing. "Because it's there."
A triumph of human will, ability, and spirit.
Its an interesting point,
The question as you put it is what is reality (assuming it exists at all)
The next question would be, how can science be real if there is no reality because science would be part of the illusion.
The assumption would then be life is also an illusion. Interesting point.
The meaning of the illusion or if it had no meaning the reason for the illusion would be the next question.
The next assumption would be if its an illusion then its not expanding into anything..another interesting point.
Ah..however its expanding into consciousness...
...that might be another dream state. The next question would be what is consciousness...another illusion?
(Just for fun) The illusion might be the dimensions..which in turn could be levels of consciousness..meaning we might be on the fourth level at the moment.
Sounds a bit like the wheel of life..
..(There is only what there is, there is nothing more!)😀..it would be interesting if there was no end to splitting of particles..ie no fundamental level where you cannot go any further..(the infinite fractal)
Regards
M. Gregg
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For fun 😀..
Its a bit like the egg timer,
something has to come from somewhere, the pinch point would be the singularity, with another pinch point before that one infinity could come from a ring or doughnut of them..each time it would be recycled via the pinch point. The next pinch point would open when the amount of matter reaches a critical level supplied by the singularity.
That would be to crazy..voids filling with matter drained from a previous void via a black hole..
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sand+egg+timer&biw=1524&bih=718&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ThZnVIXfL4zXavKqgvgN&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=y3lzaMLQoibZ5M%253A%3BqdFzKy7-pEJRRM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ephotozine.com%252Fimages%252Fbbcode%252F59048%252Fegg-timer.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ephotozine.com%252Fforums%252Ftopic%252Fday-13-january-2012--we-want-to-see-shots-with-sand-in-them-94916%252Fp-1%3B600%3B962
On second thoughts its to much like the wheel of life again..
Back to reality as we understand it!
Just thought LMAO the singularity is like a diode..increase the voltage until you get past about .7 of a volt and it conducts..😀 (in one direction)
Regards
M. Gregg
Its a bit like the egg timer,
something has to come from somewhere, the pinch point would be the singularity, with another pinch point before that one infinity could come from a ring or doughnut of them..each time it would be recycled via the pinch point. The next pinch point would open when the amount of matter reaches a critical level supplied by the singularity.
That would be to crazy..voids filling with matter drained from a previous void via a black hole..
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sand+egg+timer&biw=1524&bih=718&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ThZnVIXfL4zXavKqgvgN&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=y3lzaMLQoibZ5M%253A%3BqdFzKy7-pEJRRM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ephotozine.com%252Fimages%252Fbbcode%252F59048%252Fegg-timer.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ephotozine.com%252Fforums%252Ftopic%252Fday-13-january-2012--we-want-to-see-shots-with-sand-in-them-94916%252Fp-1%3B600%3B962
On second thoughts its to much like the wheel of life again..
Back to reality as we understand it!
Just thought LMAO the singularity is like a diode..increase the voltage until you get past about .7 of a volt and it conducts..😀 (in one direction)
Regards
M. Gregg
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I'll tell you what reality is.
A man lives his short and painful life, does all kinds of mistakes,
learns from it, tries to be happy as much as possible,
some get married and live happily ever after, some don't, others get
divorced. Time appears to pass more quickly when you are older.
Eventually one dies, leaves everything behind and who knows who
is going to get the Porsche.
I assume a midwife didn't drop me and I didn't fall on my head
when I was born.
I agree with the above post 🙂
While I often think about space, the universe(s), I think humanity must now fully concentrate on solving problems it its backyard. The sooner we get rid of fossil fuel and go alternative, the better. Otherwise, we are doomed. Human race may get extinct on this planet, while not being able to escape, just like someone whose ship is slowly getting filled with water and sinking, but instead of fixing the ship, one is looking toward an open sea, hoping that somewhere out there is a shore. But even if it is, one may not be able to get there, and least not before the ship gets sunk....
While I often think about space, the universe(s), I think humanity must now fully concentrate on solving problems it its backyard. The sooner we get rid of fossil fuel and go alternative, the better. Otherwise, we are doomed. Human race may get extinct on this planet, while not being able to escape, just like someone whose ship is slowly getting filled with water and sinking, but instead of fixing the ship, one is looking toward an open sea, hoping that somewhere out there is a shore. But even if it is, one may not be able to get there, and least not before the ship gets sunk....
If that was the only problem... the real problem is how we abuse all resources provided by this little planet. Mine... produce... discard... 🙁
The life-span of many "modern" products is sometimes not even 2 years! Afterwards you can dispose of them, because you can't repair them... That's a wast of resources which ought to be out-lawed!
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Its an interesting point,
The question as you put it is what is reality (assuming it exists at all)
The next question would be, how can science be real if there is no reality because science would be part of the illusion.
The assumption would then be life is also an illusion. Interesting point.
The meaning of the illusion or if it had no meaning the reason for the illusion would be the next question.
The next assumption would be if its an illusion then its not expanding into anything..another interesting point.
Ah..however its expanding into consciousness...
The next question would be what is consciousness...another illusion?
(Just for fun) The illusion might be the dimensions..which in turn could be levels of consciousness..meaning we might be on the fourth level at the moment.
Sounds a bit like the wheel of life..
😀..it would be interesting if there was no end to splitting of particles..ie no fundamental level where you cannot go any further..(the infinite fractal)
Regards
M. Gregg
But there is no end. With each new discovery there are new problems associated with it for which new explanations are required in order to validate the previous discoveries. Until of course the myth is finally debunked. Just this month alone, I noticed there is new math proving black holes actually do not exist and the Higgs Boson was actually not discovered after all. Einstein's Space-Time theory has serious problems yet to be reconciled. What there is no end to is our denial that we as subjects of existence do not have the capability to explain it's origin. It's like commanding a stone to become conscious.
I think there is nothing wrong in accepting that humans 'have limitations intellectually !'
We can still do a lot of things and make 'discoveries' that we can debunk after several years and replace them with new ones. It will keep us quite occupied and prevent our fertile brains from becoming inactive and subject to the 'devil's workshop' ! 🙂
You can't teach a child calculus ! It has to 'develop much more' before all that can happen.On the universal scale humans are probably at the 'child stage'. So it should be quite understandable that we can't understand it "ALL" ! 😉
Well , how would we react and explain it, if a stone jumped at us and talked to us ? 😀
Yeah, HOW would we react to that ? Red Indians supposedly used 'stones' to 'talk to and interact with ' the other dimension ! Were they fooling themselves and us ? I doubt it ! We are really the pariah class...modern MAN.
And we won't even admit it ! 🙂
This isn't about you and me. It's about the whole human race .
We can still do a lot of things and make 'discoveries' that we can debunk after several years and replace them with new ones. It will keep us quite occupied and prevent our fertile brains from becoming inactive and subject to the 'devil's workshop' ! 🙂
You can't teach a child calculus ! It has to 'develop much more' before all that can happen.On the universal scale humans are probably at the 'child stage'. So it should be quite understandable that we can't understand it "ALL" ! 😉
Well , how would we react and explain it, if a stone jumped at us and talked to us ? 😀
Yeah, HOW would we react to that ? Red Indians supposedly used 'stones' to 'talk to and interact with ' the other dimension ! Were they fooling themselves and us ? I doubt it ! We are really the pariah class...modern MAN.
And we won't even admit it ! 🙂
This isn't about you and me. It's about the whole human race .
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Oh, but there is a goal, a final destination. It isn't just research for it's own sake, for fun. I would like to know what yours and others' opinions are with regard to this. I've given mine. And please don't tell me the benefit or betterment of mankind is dependent on discovering the origin of matter. Unless of course it's in a philosophical context. Here we are on the brink of self destruction bestowing accolades on the scientific community for enabling it's advancement. When has the corporate world ever used new knowledge for anything but their bottom line? I think I've not been quite clear on where I believe the direction of science is taking the "chosen few". All the options are apparently being explored.
Oh, before I forget, I'm a kook. They never did land on the moon.😉
Currently there is only a road of investigation... the "goal" of understanding it all is too vague, as meaningful as "42" 😉
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