Perhaps we should take a break from all the higher theories of the Universe for now.
Its years since I battled away with Maxwell's equations, but something entirely surprising comes out of them.
You don't often encounter Relativity in normal life, except that magnetism is entirely a result of relativity.
It is caused by moving electrons in the wire being foreshortened by relativity. Not many people know that.
Its years since I battled away with Maxwell's equations, but something entirely surprising comes out of them.
You don't often encounter Relativity in normal life, except that magnetism is entirely a result of relativity.
It is caused by moving electrons in the wire being foreshortened by relativity. Not many people know that.
Isn't it the distance between the moving electrons which is contracted?It is caused by moving electrons in the wire being foreshortened by relativity. Not many people know that.
So how does this explain the phenomenon where by which a continual flow of virtual photons complete a cycle through a horseshoe shaped ferrite metal bar with another straight shorting bar across the ends held there magnetically but perpetually until the shorting bar is forced off, being that neither of which are permanent magnets?
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Current carrying electrons in a wire do not move at relativistic speeds, but at a mere snails pace.
The Lorentz factor (gamma) hardly differs from 1 so the distance contraction is exceedingly tiny.
One would wonder how we can measure magnetic forces at all.
The Lorentz factor (gamma) hardly differs from 1 so the distance contraction is exceedingly tiny.
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One would wonder how we can measure magnetic forces at all.
Here's an off topic switch. I'm blown away by the one day shipping estimate from Manitoba to Ontario at my door of a pair of triple banana plugs I need for my amps from Digikey. Should be here by tomorrow 1:30pm. Amazing. We'll see if it actually happens. Almost spooky...
Speed depends on the medium, frequency and distance.But the electromagnetic wave moves at the speed of light, no?
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+1Current carrying electrons in a wire do not move at relativistic speeds, but at a mere snails pace.
Where is the said relativity in magnetism ?
I am a stupid mobile phone today, so must keep it short.
60g of copper fuse wire I keep in my soldering box has about 6 X 10 to 23 electrons and a charge of 90,000 coulombs. These are enormous number.
You don't have to move them very fast for relativity to produce magnetism.
60g of copper fuse wire I keep in my soldering box has about 6 X 10 to 23 electrons and a charge of 90,000 coulombs. These are enormous number.
You don't have to move them very fast for relativity to produce magnetism.
When dealing with electric and magnetic forces, even the infinitesimally small length contraction of the electrons at these drift speeds leads to relativistic effects.
The length contraction leads to a minute change in charge density which has an appreciable relativistic effect when we consider that the total charge of all the conduction electrons in a metre long wire is tens of thousands of coulombs.
The length contraction leads to a minute change in charge density which has an appreciable relativistic effect when we consider that the total charge of all the conduction electrons in a metre long wire is tens of thousands of coulombs.
A practically endless number of pages of description are out there. Just Giggle 'magnetism and relativity'.
e.g. Q & A: magnetism and relativity | Department of Physics | University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
e.g. Q & A: magnetism and relativity | Department of Physics | University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Nor I!This is not physics and engineering, I was trained with.
I was quite happy to accept that magnetism is a force produced by moving electric charges or which arises as a consequence of a moving charge's interaction with that invention we call the magnetic field.
However, neither description actually explains magnetism. Enter relativity!
My computer is restored by a new power supply, so can give you a link if you doubt that Maxwell's 4 Equations can't be reduced to one:
Mathematical descriptions of the electromagnetic field - Wikipedia
Uses slightly abstract current density J and Force F one formulation. Just a change of variables really.
I just looked up my College Undegraduate Physics courses to see if I know anything about this.
M211 Vector Algebra 1/4 unit
PH253 Electromagnetism, Optics and Spectroscopy 1/2 unit
PH327 Communication Electronics and Magnetic Resonance 1/2 unit
PH247 Second Year Physical Laboratory 1/4 unit
Always liked the old electricity. It's very powerful stuff, just you don't usually notice because it's mostly balanced out. Nothing gave me more entertainment than Million Volt sparks. You could punch holes in cardboard with the 4" sparks. The distinct smell of Ozone like Lightning storms..
Just keep the little fingers away. One of our lecturers had lost all his hair after a severe electric shock.
Should have been more careful, IMO. It can be a bit SUDDEN! And it's a bit unpredictable where it is going to go. The trick is to guess the Earth path.
Mathematical descriptions of the electromagnetic field - Wikipedia
Uses slightly abstract current density J and Force F one formulation. Just a change of variables really.
I just looked up my College Undegraduate Physics courses to see if I know anything about this.
M211 Vector Algebra 1/4 unit
PH253 Electromagnetism, Optics and Spectroscopy 1/2 unit
PH327 Communication Electronics and Magnetic Resonance 1/2 unit
PH247 Second Year Physical Laboratory 1/4 unit
Always liked the old electricity. It's very powerful stuff, just you don't usually notice because it's mostly balanced out. Nothing gave me more entertainment than Million Volt sparks. You could punch holes in cardboard with the 4" sparks. The distinct smell of Ozone like Lightning storms..
Just keep the little fingers away. One of our lecturers had lost all his hair after a severe electric shock.
Should have been more careful, IMO. It can be a bit SUDDEN! And it's a bit unpredictable where it is going to go. The trick is to guess the Earth path.
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