Don't feed the troll 

Good wines, can be found as "appellation" delimit a land and crossing a lane may offer surprises.*The truly great Bordeaux, if they exist, are all likely in the $500+ per bottle, which ain't gonna happen on my budget.
You seem to have completely missed his remark that ALL French wine is crap and that it is all overpriced - that is total bollocks. In all my years of drinking wine and conversing with wine drinkers from around the world I have never, ever heard anyone say they like wine to have a sour taste - have you?
LOL, I should have added that while some French wine is, in my opinion, over-priced, when my wife and I bicycled for 2 weeks in France (particularly the Burgundy area) back around y2k we regularly found quite nice bottles of wine for $3-4, which we'd bring along on our rides with bread and cheese for our lunch. Fabulous. And we can even get some very nice French reds in the US at affordable prices (Rhone and Loire are two regional examples).
Don't feed the troll
Good wines, can be found as "appellation" delimit a land and crossing a lane may offer surprises.
Definitely!
Wow, tell us what you really think! Just don't belittle someone else for their tastes.
I was wondering when these two guys would lock horns.🙂
Definitely!
LOL, I should have added that while some French wine is, in my opinion, over-priced, when my wife and I bicycled for 2 weeks in France (particularly the Burgundy area) back around y2k we regularly found quite nice bottles of wine for $3-4, which we'd bring along on our rides with bread and cheese for our lunch. Fabulous. And we can even get some very nice French reds in the US at affordable prices (Rhone and Loire are two regional examples).
Vin de francais, the bastion of quality, value and consistency

Laurels and resting😉
@mightym : to much bottles !
Due to Phylloxera it was decided to plant American vines in affected French regions, but it's always Bourgueuil, Latour..
They are a lot of great wines all other the world. It's just a matter of pleasure![]()
They actually grafted American root stock onto the French vines.
And we can even get some very nice French reds in the US at affordable prices (Rhone and Loire are two regional examples).
Unfortunately some of the great Rhone and Loire wines are now stupid money. BTW "sour" is meaningless as a proper term for wine evaluation, do you mean no or low residual sugar or damage by excess VA? I rather enjoy bone dry wines some (like the driest Alsatian wines) have slowly disappeared due to climate change and certain critics' questionable taste. I started a thread many years ago on a wine board entitled "I like (German) trocken wine" that went viral.
They actually grafted American root stock onto the French vines.
They managed to graft American roots to french vines? I'm not sure how long the roots would survive in air. The other way round, perhaps😉
Yes, they did graft American rootstock to French vines. Had they grafted American vines to French rootstock, it would have done absolutely nothing to alleviate the "root cause" 😉
Since the blight occurred in the mid-to-late 19th century, air travel likely wasn't a huge consideration. 😉
Even so, rootstock is commonly transported by air today without worry. 😉
Edited to add - If you mean roots surviving out of soil for their transport by "in air", then that is also not a huge issue, they were likely not transported "in air", but apologies for the misunderstanding.
Since the blight occurred in the mid-to-late 19th century, air travel likely wasn't a huge consideration. 😉
Even so, rootstock is commonly transported by air today without worry. 😉
Edited to add - If you mean roots surviving out of soil for their transport by "in air", then that is also not a huge issue, they were likely not transported "in air", but apologies for the misunderstanding.
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Unfortunately some of the great Rhone and Loire wines are now stupid money. BTW "sour" is meaningless as a proper term for wine evaluation, do you mean no or low residual sugar or damage by excess VA? I rather enjoy bone dry wines some (like the driest Alsatian wines) have slowly disappeared due to climate change and certain critics' questionable taste. I started a thread many years ago on a wine board entitled "I like (German) trocken wine" that went viral.
True to some extent on the Rhone and Loire, but not all. I rarely can get a truly great wine of any type. But we can often get for example, Chateau Beauchene (Chateau Beauchene Cotes du Rhone Grande Reserve 2019 | Wine.com) for $7-9 and I find them really well balanced and drinkable. They don't have the nuances of more expensive wines, of course, but pretty good for someone on my budget.
And yes, sour isn't a great term - it was GUNFU's in this little tete-a-tete - but some wines have a type of acidity that I can only describe as sour to my palate. I don't think it's VA in this case. My dislike of "sour" tastes applies to foods too, so it isn't just wine. I'm thinking some kind of change in my tastebuds. I just read an abstract about increased sensitivity to sour in Crohn's disease sufferers. Don't think that's me, but you never know...
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This discussion has now strayed far from the topic of What you're drinking. It's time to come back to the original question.
I'm enjoying a Manhattan to begin my evening.
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I'm enjoying a Manhattan to begin my evening.
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I found a bottle of IPA in my basement. I was awful. I checked the expiration date, sometime in 2015.
I have a strong suspicion that due to genetics, each of us experiences wine slightly differently. Some things come through and are commonly acknowledged as good or great, many others not do.
As an example of this, take asparagus. If you eat it, you excrete quite a strong smell via your urine. It turns out, only some folks can smell this because the have the genetic wherewithal to do so - others cannot detect it at all.
I read lots of wine reviews about ‘great nose’ etc etc and get absolutely nothing. My wife loves stuff I think is abysmal.
Each to his own!
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As an example of this, take asparagus. If you eat it, you excrete quite a strong smell via your urine. It turns out, only some folks can smell this because the have the genetic wherewithal to do so - others cannot detect it at all.
I read lots of wine reviews about ‘great nose’ etc etc and get absolutely nothing. My wife loves stuff I think is abysmal.
Each to his own!
🙂
I glass of this old one from the cellar...cheers
Used to say on the trading desk: "There's never a bear market in Pomerol"
The glass... is very important
A beautiful wine (as pictured) 'deserves' a short pour in a really good glass.
Cheers!
...My wine glass dryer...
I glass of this old one from the cellar...cheers
A beautiful wine (as pictured) 'deserves' a short pour in a really good glass.
Cheers!
...My wine glass dryer...
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Plan to do some power listening tonight. Alcohol adversely impacts my hearing... A big inky Red Wine, out of a Riedel Sommeliers is in order for the weekend. May have to "raid" the wine stash while it is still cool.
Whoa! Is that a 1987 Beringer Private Reserve? If so, enjoy! And for that I agree, a short pour and a fine glass. Add some fabulous music well reproduced and what more could one ask?
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