to move as much air you would need twice the excursion on the 10 to do the same spl as the 12 does ! lol
ppl say things without any proof
you can port them..if u want to spend heaps on PRs you can... 10$ pvc does the same job.
just use winisd,and make massive port,like mine
40cmx10cm x 95cm long
:-D 25hz tuning on jbl
it looks like im getting a JBL2226H like www.speakerbuilding.com *almighty subwoofer* article.
ppl say things without any proof
you can port them..if u want to spend heaps on PRs you can... 10$ pvc does the same job.
just use winisd,and make massive port,like mine
40cmx10cm x 95cm long
:-D 25hz tuning on jbl
it looks like im getting a JBL2226H like www.speakerbuilding.com *almighty subwoofer* article.
SkinnyBoy said:
ur jokn about the shiva right? lol www.adireaudio.com
XLS 12inch -its 12.5mm one way peak
44mm sounds like- 2way Xmech
personaly i prefer a labhorn,il get one,ONEDAY!
🙂
mikee12345 said:to move as much air you would need twice the excursion on the 10 to do the same spl as the 12 does ! lol
ppl say things without any proof
you can port them..if u want to spend heaps on PRs you can... 10$ pvc does the same job.
just use winisd,and make massive port,like mine
40cmx10cm x 95cm long
:-D 25hz tuning on jbl
it looks like im getting a JBL2226H like www.speakerbuilding.com *almighty subwoofer* article.
umm.. okay.. lol
I want a small box..... I want one not much bigger than my current one, which is about 50litres.... I want something I can move to a friends house, that looks good, and that has no chance of me stuffing it um.. lol I considered getting 2 Peerless XLSs instead of getting 1 and the passive radiators, then makeing some nice big (about 2 meter high) speaker boxes.. 🙂 do a 4 way system or something.. lol
mikee12345 said:
ur jokn about the shiva right? lol www.adireaudio.com
XLS 12inch -its 12.5mm one way peak
44mm sounds like- 2way Xmech
personaly i prefer a labhorn,il get one,ONEDAY!
Yeah, my mistake... lol, its 44mm Xmech, and 12.5mm X-max.. which is better than my subs current 3mm Xmax.. 😀 lol
Nope, lol, never heard of shiva.. lol 😀 But I'm not going to be able to get them in Australia, am I? 🙂 I'm not willing to spend more than about $300 on a single driver either...
OOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
should I get the Tempest of the Shiva?? lol or another one... my only problem is getting them in Australia... the 2 I listed are both available from Victoria, Australia...... WHAT ONE!?!? lol
should I get the Tempest of the Shiva?? lol or another one... my only problem is getting them in Australia... the 2 I listed are both available from Victoria, Australia...... WHAT ONE!?!? lol
Skinny,
If you decide to go with a Shiva / Tempest.
I recommend John Woodhead from Acoustic Concepts (www.acousticconcepts.com.au) (probably the Vic. seller you were referring to). I won't tell you the price he sold me the Shiva for (may have changed - don't want to set wrong expectation) - but at the time, the peerless was approx $30 cheaper. I think now, they are probably much the same. Either could be had for around the $300 you mentioned.
BTW - I think the peerless XLS 12" is great too (a friend has one). Either way (Adire / Peerless) - you can't go wrong. The Peerless does have a rubber surround (whereas Shiva is foam) - so might speak for longevity.
PS: Wanna test xmech? - get an average quality mic and try out karaoke! - geez - should have seen the ol' shiva moving and shaking last night! (some noise / crap from the mic I suspect).
David.
If you decide to go with a Shiva / Tempest.
I recommend John Woodhead from Acoustic Concepts (www.acousticconcepts.com.au) (probably the Vic. seller you were referring to). I won't tell you the price he sold me the Shiva for (may have changed - don't want to set wrong expectation) - but at the time, the peerless was approx $30 cheaper. I think now, they are probably much the same. Either could be had for around the $300 you mentioned.
BTW - I think the peerless XLS 12" is great too (a friend has one). Either way (Adire / Peerless) - you can't go wrong. The Peerless does have a rubber surround (whereas Shiva is foam) - so might speak for longevity.
PS: Wanna test xmech? - get an average quality mic and try out karaoke! - geez - should have seen the ol' shiva moving and shaking last night! (some noise / crap from the mic I suspect).
David.
peerless XLS=50litres
Shiva=130litres ported
Rather similar otherwise
PR or PVC pipe.
with a big port,the shiva wont have large losses on the port
if u want efficiency,build a lab.
if u want lowness,build shiva or peerless..i wouldnt bother buying 2 inefficient speakers personaly...
Shiva=130litres ported
Rather similar otherwise
PR or PVC pipe.
with a big port,the shiva wont have large losses on the port
if u want efficiency,build a lab.
if u want lowness,build shiva or peerless..i wouldnt bother buying 2 inefficient speakers personaly...
Well, thats just the thing, I can get the peerless for trade price ($200) rather than the retail which is around $300... now which would you suggest? I prefer a rubber surround also.. 🙂 lol
Skinny,
Can you get the PRs for the Peerless at trade $ as well? - are you going to go for 1 or 2?
If you are after SPL, then you'll need xmax with "inefficient" drivers (both peerless and shiva are < 90dB???). Shiva has the slight advantage there.... a good question about XMech - i don't know which one is better for both the drivers (I'm sure I've driven my shiva past xmax and haven't heard it pop yet).
I'm guessing PR's won't unload like a port - so without an infrasonic filter and very low tuning, I guess the Peerless with PRs (1 or 2) would be better to minimise risk of driver damage at high power or low frequency) operation.
Also, I believe the peerless has proper binding posts (shiva has cheap tabs). At $200 trade (not factoring the PR cost), the peerless seems favourable to me.
Dave.
Can you get the PRs for the Peerless at trade $ as well? - are you going to go for 1 or 2?
If you are after SPL, then you'll need xmax with "inefficient" drivers (both peerless and shiva are < 90dB???). Shiva has the slight advantage there.... a good question about XMech - i don't know which one is better for both the drivers (I'm sure I've driven my shiva past xmax and haven't heard it pop yet).
I'm guessing PR's won't unload like a port - so without an infrasonic filter and very low tuning, I guess the Peerless with PRs (1 or 2) would be better to minimise risk of driver damage at high power or low frequency) operation.
Also, I believe the peerless has proper binding posts (shiva has cheap tabs). At $200 trade (not factoring the PR cost), the peerless seems favourable to me.
Dave.
yeah, I can get the PRs at trade too.. I hope I can still get the Peerless gear.. 🙂 lol not sure how much 🙂
Okay, the box pictured, well, someone hacked a hole in either side (its begining to look like swiss cheese) and mounted his 2 8inch Peerless woofers, leaving the 10inch in its place and blocking the ports.. 😀 lol Now its a 10inch passive radiator mounted the wrong way in the box, with 2 8inch woofers.. 😀 lol
Did you post a new pic? (couldn't see it). So.... you are using the 8 inchers as PRs - did you smack the magnet assemblies off? (that's the most delicate way I could put it).
Have you tuned it, or are just doing it for an experiment?...
Hey - why not use the ports as well as the PRs and come up with something radical - say a ported, TL, PR sub (use the ports as tapered lines for the PRs)!
Dave.
Have you tuned it, or are just doing it for an experiment?...
Hey - why not use the ports as well as the PRs and come up with something radical - say a ported, TL, PR sub (use the ports as tapered lines for the PRs)!
Dave.
NO!!! the dodgy $40 sub is the passive radiator... the $75 8inch PEERLESS are NOT having the magnets knocked off.. 😛 Actually, the ports were left open, and the passive radiator still moves, and has good PUNCHY bass.. 😀
I didn't post any pics... would you like me too? 🙂
I didn't post any pics... would you like me too? 🙂
Oh yeah, I got the 8" and 10" mixed up (I can see why you didn't want to damage the peerless drivers).
Hey - when you buy the drivers for your 2-ways later in the year, are you going to buy local or from the USA?
Dave.
Hey - when you buy the drivers for your 2-ways later in the year, are you going to buy local or from the USA?
Dave.
Umm.. lol these are the drivers for my 2 ways.. 🙂 I haven't go the money, time, patience or resources to make the boxes at the moment, so I stuck em in my subwoofer box.. 😀 lol
And, I bought then from interstate, at trade price, but thats a secret.. the woofers were $75 each compared to $160 from Altronics.... The tweeters were $35 compared to $62 from Altronics.... all prices are Australian $$.. lol 🙂 well, I'm happy, how about you?? I wanted good quality that would last me till I die (or can afford something bigger) It was Peerless or ReSponse from Jaycar, and the ReSponse were actually more expensive.. 🙄 lol
And, I bought then from interstate, at trade price, but thats a secret.. the woofers were $75 each compared to $160 from Altronics.... The tweeters were $35 compared to $62 from Altronics.... all prices are Australian $$.. lol 🙂 well, I'm happy, how about you?? I wanted good quality that would last me till I die (or can afford something bigger) It was Peerless or ReSponse from Jaycar, and the ReSponse were actually more expensive.. 🙄 lol
Thanks for the info on parts suppliers. I was looking at citysouthelectronics - seems to have the best price (and good at responding to my e-mails).
Assuming you are going passive for your xovers - can you tell me where you were going to get your xover components from? (Shipping inductors from USA is pricey - considering rolling my own). There is nothing decent in NZ (well low resistance inductors anyway)
Dave.
Assuming you are going passive for your xovers - can you tell me where you were going to get your xover components from? (Shipping inductors from USA is pricey - considering rolling my own). There is nothing decent in NZ (well low resistance inductors anyway)
Dave.
well.. as for the crossovers, I was going to feed the woofers the full frequency, and just do a 6dB/oct for the tweeter.. lol aren't I helpful? 😀
Okay.. heres the plan.. 😀 I make my 60litre boxes with the 8inch peerlesses and 1inch Tweeters.... I finish them piano style.. lol If and when I get more money, I hack a hole in the side of each box to mount a 12inch subwoofer and enclose the 8inch into a small (10litre) sealed box.... anyone see any problems with that? 🙂 I'll make the bracing in the box suitably spaced so the 12inch will fit... that leaves a 50litre box for a tuned sub... what one would you reccomend? budget is like $200... peerless 10inch or 12inch? lol or something else? 🙂
If you are only doing a 6dB slope on the tweeter, by what people say around here.... just make sure you XO well above Fs of the tweeter, or ensure you don't feed it a heck of a lot of power or you'll bow it.
It seems to me minimalist is the ideal way to go for xovers - as John Murphy says... "xovers are evil, but a necessary evil".
Dave.
It seems to me minimalist is the ideal way to go for xovers - as John Murphy says... "xovers are evil, but a necessary evil".
Dave.
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