I'm also shocked that they are bragging about emission, when these trucks are road legal.
Emissions are going in a way it is impossible to be met. They are injecting brutal acids to get bit less CO2 out, but they don't give a f*** that they are injecting ACID. And causing more environmental damage. In normal use no cars actually meet these regulations. The actual measurement cycles are jokes. Nobody drives like that.
Emissions are going in a way it is impossible to be met. They are injecting brutal acids to get bit less CO2 out, but they don't give a f*** that they are injecting ACID. And causing more environmental damage. In normal use no cars actually meet these regulations. The actual measurement cycles are jokes. Nobody drives like that.
Nope - I'm capable of looking at the big picture myself. Its what leads to the business failure that you see throughout the world - GFC anyone? Sub-prime ring a bell?
Big businesses are almost totally wedded to quarterly result numbers. Certainly a year is considered almost an epoch in their terms. With such short vision, is it any wonder that a quick profit beats long-term every time.
Especially when the cost of the decision can be socialised and the CEO gets out with a $50m+ departure package. Boy, is HE suffering....
VW is just the latest example of the smartest guys in the room syndrome. It won't be the last.
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I can't speak about every company, but I'm pretty familiar with the one I work for. Publicly traded, Fortune 200. Yes, they care about quarterly profit and return to shareholders- that's people like you, me, and our retirement funds. Yes, they care about dividends- for which they are world-class. But ethics are a HUGE deal, and if you did anything that looked even a little shady to get more sales or profits, you'd be out the door so fast, you'd be red-shifted. The higher you are in the company, the more this holds. I can't believe that we're atypical.
The subprime thing you brought up is irrelevant to corporate ethics, but I can't really discuss that here because it's purely political.
I think this is paper of the US study:
http://www.theicct.org/sites/defaul...WVU_LDDV_in-use_ICCT_Report_Final_may2014.pdf
That is part of a international one:
Real-world exhaust emissions from modern diesel cars | International Council on Clean Transportation
http://www.theicct.org/sites/defaul...WVU_LDDV_in-use_ICCT_Report_Final_may2014.pdf
That is part of a international one:
Real-world exhaust emissions from modern diesel cars | International Council on Clean Transportation
You don't read that well.
A long time ago, the no1 honcho of Daimler Benz shouted at me, insisted he wanted Booze and Putes.
His backup choir was the rest of the DB board.
You bet your a.. Winterkorn is a perpetrator.
Who in his right mind ships out diesels with an emission switch to the US, diesels for god sakes, to the land of EPA !
But who is the victim ?
Winterkorn is 68, he checks out with €32M in retirement benefits.
The VW workers then ? The VW shareholders ?
Certainly not the EPA.
I've posted an example that the EPA knew all about 'defeating devices' a long time ago.
But hey, $16 billion and change deserves a slap on the shoulder, instead of a boot in the bum.
Something's rotten in Denmark, and beyond.
Aside from the loss of resale value (which could well be huge!), this is another main concern for me. If the engine has been designed to run best at this level of emission production, will the long term life of the engine be affected by the need to actually have the engine run in a way that meets the actual emission standards?
Yep, the cylinder insides will pollute much faster.
Similar to running marine diesels at low rpm for too long, very short intervals between overhauling.
(Klopfen is petrol, Nageln is diesel)
Similar to running marine diesels at low rpm for too long, very short intervals between overhauling.
(Klopfen is petrol, Nageln is diesel)
Same with my employers:
General Mills blows whistle on yogurt price-fixing cartel | Minnesota Public Radio News
Yes, I've personally witnessed several high performing and highly placed people fired for cutting ethical corners in the pursuit of company profit.
What took EPA so long? Perhaps they were too busy in the Four Corners area?
This whole thing smells to me, and it smells like politics not diesel exhaust.
And that is my main motivation. Respecting forum rules.
aardvaarkash10, I have reasons to like it, and I have plenty of reasons to not like it, but the world runs on fuel oil.
Not snake oil.
I'm not so naive to think I can stamp out the latter, but I must try to keep it in its place.
If you see the big picture, then you're aware that "the cost of the decision can be socialized" has nothing to do with the company's mission statement. And denouncing just some of the players is misleading at best.
I'll leave at that.
This whole thing smells to me, and it smells like politics not diesel exhaust.
And that is my main motivation. Respecting forum rules.
aardvaarkash10, I have reasons to like it, and I have plenty of reasons to not like it, but the world runs on fuel oil.
Not snake oil.
I'm not so naive to think I can stamp out the latter, but I must try to keep it in its place.
If you see the big picture, then you're aware that "the cost of the decision can be socialized" has nothing to do with the company's mission statement. And denouncing just some of the players is misleading at best.
I'll leave at that.
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hehehe Is that your cup, Jacco?
I forgot... I was going to direct apologies your way for the olfactory metaphor.
I forgot... I was going to direct apologies your way for the olfactory metaphor.
I seriously doubt that there will be any kind of resale issues with VW diesels, at least not in north america. They are the only diesel cars available in Canada so if you want it you have no choice but to buy VW.
Watch Cowspiricy to see how much pollution the transportation sector actually creates.
I'm sure VW did it to increase reliability, fuel economy and drivability. Thank-you VW for putting the customer first.
Watch Cowspiricy to see how much pollution the transportation sector actually creates.
I'm sure VW did it to increase reliability, fuel economy and drivability. Thank-you VW for putting the customer first.
I love the smell of diesel in the morning, or any other crud, but ABS smells best in Houston.
(not that I can)
I shook hands with a lot of TX guys carrying multiple platinum cards.
When is the audio industry going to be responsible for giving wrong information too? B&W 803 @ 16Hz...
A bit like this, isn't it?
A bit like this, isn't it?
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