Veganism

[megasat16]

I am not full time Vegan but vegan for an entire day on a weekly basics. I know meat is delicious and it's only a fridge away but I decided to be a Vegan at least once a week. I've been down this path since my pre-teens years so it's already more than 6-7 years of accumulated Vegan time in my life so far.

I realized that are Health benefits as well as a little feel good factor about eating less meat to reduce my carbon footprint a little for the next gen! lol

 

[Galu]

I've been away from this thread for a while so apologise if I'm going over old ground (pun intended) with a question regarding vegan gardening, a method that is said to give you "clean, ethically produced crops that are safe to eat."

A vegan expert says "Animal manures used to help plants grow can be contaminated with infectious diseases such as E coli and listeria . . . manure-borne salmonella or campylobacter could make you ill."

A gardening expert tells us how to grow better vegatables: "When it comes to feeding the soil, cow manure just can't be beaten."

Now, I want to bite my potatoes - I don't want my potatoes to bite me!

So, my question is - who do I believe or is all just a load of bulls**t?

 

[Charles Darwin]

If you want to grow vegetables for more than a couple of seasons in the same spot you either use manure or the products of a chemical factory which are usually based on mineral oil or natural gas.

 

[scottjoplin]

When guilt doesn't work use fear. You have to bear in mind that to many people with strongly held beliefs, the end often justifies the means. Basic food hygiene course will tell you how to protect yourself from soil-borne diseases.

 

[Galu]

Don't worry - I will boil my potatoes into submission!

 

[Evenharmonics]

It's hard to say for certain. Many vegans believe that veganism is an evolutionary process, so by that logic it may be best to allow them to reproduce for a few generations until they inevitably become grass feeders at which point they would become most environmentally friendly and consuming them would also be environmentally friendly.

I've heard that it takes 250 millennia for DNA to change. That would be 10,000 generations.

 

[Evenharmonics]

I realized that are Health benefits as well as a little feel good factor about eating less meat to reduce my carbon footprint a little for the next gen! lol

Please be kind to plants by giving them more carbon dioxide to breathe in so that they can grow faster and healthier before being chopped down for consumption.

 

[simon7000]

I've heard that it takes 250 millennia for DNA to change. That would be 10,000 generations.

Micro-evolution has been shown to happen much faster, one or two generations.

 

[Evenharmonics]

But what degree of DNA adaptation does that result? I highly doubt going from omnivore to herbivore transformation.

 

[simon7000]

Things like beak size, coloring etc. Humans can eat grass now, just not digest it. But there is enough nonsense about diet, who knows some folks might add it to their diet.

 

[Evenharmonics]

If you mean gene mixing via procreation, then yes. Well, human's chin shape and hair color change even in 1 generation. But DNA adaptation is a different matter.

 

[scottjoplin]

When I was 11 and had my appendix removed because it burst, I was told I didn't need it anyway, it was an evolutionary remnant from when our ancestors ate grass

 

[Evenharmonics]

"For years, the appendix was credited with very little physiological function. We now know, however, that the appendix serves an important role in the fetus and in young adults..."

Link

 

[Galu]

Yes SJ, you may not be pleased to hear that the appendix may have a function!

"The appendix may play an important role as a secondary immune organ . . . the appendix may serve as a 'safe house' for helpful gut bacteria."

Appendix may have important function, new research suggests -- ScienceDaily

 

[scottjoplin]

I know, thanks for the links both, very interesting, thing is, mine nearly killed me so I can't say I miss it

 

[Galu]

Sorry to hear that so, on the positive side, having had an appendectomy will increase your chances of surviving the Zombie Apocalypse!

"You do not want surgery after a societal collapse, trust me."

10 Medical Procedures You Need Before the Zombie Apocalypse | Den of Geek

 

[Charles Darwin]

There is only one mostly grass eating primat in the 60 million year history of primates: the gelada so a quick genetic adaption is probably not on the cards.

 

[scottjoplin]

Mmm...the chances of environmentally friendly vegans ever finding their way onto the menu seem very remote

 

[simon7000]

If you mean gene mixing via procreation, then yes. Well, human's chin shape and hair color change even in 1 generation. But DNA adaptation is a different matter.

Regularly in every generation of humans there are genetic mutations. Unfortunately almost all have very negative results. I know of one couple who have a son with a rather horrible defect that results in important parts of the brain not forming. It also appears to be a dominant gene so it had to be a mutation.

 

[simon7000]

Mmm...the chances of environmentally friendly vegans ever finding their way onto the menu seem very remote

Well if you limit yourself to those past breeding age, the meat will probably be too tough. Guess I will stick to the more common sources.

Of course when you compare the energy required to deliver to me a locally raised meat source versus the distance and increased quantity of vegan foods, it seems meat is not just more economical per calorie but also uses less energy for production and delivery.