The whole " UFO" or " Alien" thing seemed to have really picked up
with the Roswell incident.
Any Story portrayed by the media is easily believed.
Because very few people were there.
Then you have the endless story tellers.
Who claim to have been there.
In reality it was a very big " security " issue.
But its not crazy Aliens trying to steal or souls or anything.
End of World War II.
US had collected most the German V2 Rockets
Also had a few German Scientist working now for the US
Basically they were developing the Missle program
And most of the Early Rocket test were done in a place called White Sands, New Mexico.
There is plenty of Black and White / Color footage of White Sands Missile tests.
They tended to fail often on the pad.
Also tended to loose control when in flight.
One of the White Sands Missile tests, lost control and Ended up crashing.
Luckily not into a crowded city, but in a farmers property in a place called Roswell.
Relatively short trip for a ballistic missile launched from White sands to crash in Roswell
Also a well chosen site for that reason, in the middle of nowhere to have failed rockets not crash into populated areas.
Since the Missile program was incredible top secret.
You have absurd ridiculous cover stories of Alien spacecraft crashing.
Stories and ideas people like and want to believe. So the story keeps going and going and going.
Basically a cover story for the incredible top secret development at the time.
Most actual witnesses likely the farmer and few other locals who probably heard the crash. But the area would have been sealed off as quick as possible by the military.
" Aliens " is a phenomena that people like and enjoy, so the media continues to develop these stories.
Also likely continues since the original concept was considered government/military cover up or propaganda.
It could also be likely more " Alien" stories come up. When something utterly completely different is actually happening.
And people are distracted and just think and argue about Aliens instead.
with the Roswell incident.
Any Story portrayed by the media is easily believed.
Because very few people were there.
Then you have the endless story tellers.
Who claim to have been there.
In reality it was a very big " security " issue.
But its not crazy Aliens trying to steal or souls or anything.
End of World War II.
US had collected most the German V2 Rockets
Also had a few German Scientist working now for the US
Basically they were developing the Missle program
And most of the Early Rocket test were done in a place called White Sands, New Mexico.
There is plenty of Black and White / Color footage of White Sands Missile tests.
They tended to fail often on the pad.
Also tended to loose control when in flight.
One of the White Sands Missile tests, lost control and Ended up crashing.
Luckily not into a crowded city, but in a farmers property in a place called Roswell.
Relatively short trip for a ballistic missile launched from White sands to crash in Roswell
Also a well chosen site for that reason, in the middle of nowhere to have failed rockets not crash into populated areas.
Since the Missile program was incredible top secret.
You have absurd ridiculous cover stories of Alien spacecraft crashing.
Stories and ideas people like and want to believe. So the story keeps going and going and going.
Basically a cover story for the incredible top secret development at the time.
Most actual witnesses likely the farmer and few other locals who probably heard the crash. But the area would have been sealed off as quick as possible by the military.
" Aliens " is a phenomena that people like and enjoy, so the media continues to develop these stories.
Also likely continues since the original concept was considered government/military cover up or propaganda.
It could also be likely more " Alien" stories come up. When something utterly completely different is actually happening.
And people are distracted and just think and argue about Aliens instead.
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You seem to forget that this isn't my first rodeo with you. Of course, you know the point. You tacitly questioned my assertion that astronauts see UFOs at least as much as do civilian pilots. Selected anecdotal examples don't help determining that. So, I suggested a simple (in principle) proceedure. Your response is to feign ignorance and innocence, instead of conceding that the assertion is probably true.
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Good grief. I didn't question your assertion. I even found and provided a couple of examples. Not "selected anecdotes," but what links got clicked on in my search. Just like I said when I asked my question.
UFO or Unidentified Flying Object
Happen everyday.
Multiple Ground Radar and satellites observe flight patterns daily for civilian and military flights.
They get hundreds of objects everyday.
None of them are Aliens from another planet.
But all of them are technically Unidentified Flying Objects.
Again most of this story telling/cover up goes back to project Blue Book
Which was a military project to track UFO's
In reality it was tracking top secret military flight tests.
And also keeping track of how many civilians witnessed flight tests from the ground
or in private aircraft.
Happen everyday.
Multiple Ground Radar and satellites observe flight patterns daily for civilian and military flights.
They get hundreds of objects everyday.
None of them are Aliens from another planet.
But all of them are technically Unidentified Flying Objects.
Again most of this story telling/cover up goes back to project Blue Book
Which was a military project to track UFO's
In reality it was tracking top secret military flight tests.
And also keeping track of how many civilians witnessed flight tests from the ground
or in private aircraft.
Of course, nobody KNOWS if humans are 'intelligent life'. Jury is still out on IF our type of what we may consider intelligence actually has 'survival value'....
I suspect not.
As for FTL travel? Height of something to think we 'know it all'.....
I might propose a thought problem.
IF 'they' are here.....they must have come from somewhere pretty far away. That means centuries in transit OR they've found away around the speed of light limit. In either case, such travel can NOT be so expensive as to bankrupt the culture. It IS possible that they are on a one-way trip...to ????
At the limits of our current technology? Modern jet aircraft cost in the hundreds of Million $ range. F22 goes north of 300 million each. Do the math IF the military had gotten all 700 they'd originally wanted.
Stay Tuned.
I suspect not.
As for FTL travel? Height of something to think we 'know it all'.....
I might propose a thought problem.
IF 'they' are here.....they must have come from somewhere pretty far away. That means centuries in transit OR they've found away around the speed of light limit. In either case, such travel can NOT be so expensive as to bankrupt the culture. It IS possible that they are on a one-way trip...to ????
At the limits of our current technology? Modern jet aircraft cost in the hundreds of Million $ range. F22 goes north of 300 million each. Do the math IF the military had gotten all 700 they'd originally wanted.
Stay Tuned.
You're "thought problem" is based/limited on our human reasoning, and what we here only know here on earth - and of course that's natural thinking.
Comparing it to "another world" is only an amusing possibility at best.
And what we know here and can debate and discuss can go on in circles forever without an accurate and factual conclusion.
To date, we simply do not know, and are only curious, as humans naturally are.
But suppose beings from another civilization do not deal with money as we do.
Or are not limited to the obstacles that only we know of, such as speed/travel, even atmosphere differences.
Suppose they don't need air to breathe like we do.
The tv series Star Trek for instance, featured a wild, and naturally impossible machine that allowed humans to be transported through space and time instantly, then re-assembled at a new location.
Yes, it's a nutty but interesting thought, something we have not mastered.
The one thing we as humans on earth can do is to allow ourselves to keep an open mind towards fantastic situations such as that, because we tend to only believe in what we know.
You doth protest too much - given your record here of non-neutrality on the subject.
But what we know is often wrong or just made up. And an open mind is useless without facts, thats why people believe in a flat earth, voodo, $10,000 cables, religion, aliens, ...
LOTS of possibilities....many ALMOST supported by our understanding of physics. And some of the possibles would seem to take Gigantic amounts of energy....if possible at all.
Could be? Sure. I was thinking of a SciFi story where 'they' came from the future to secure genetic material to 'fix' what they'd screwed up and gotten themselves painted into a corner.
And YES....People tend to think like people. It's called anthropomorphism when we ascribe what 'we' consider normal to an alien speciees.
I wonder if Ocams Razor even applies?
Still and all? Visit US of all the planets possible? And apparently for quite a while? MUST therefore be a 'reason'? Strawberry Ice Cream? Earth Girls are EASY?
Any of a hundred POSSIBLE reasons, more than one of which may be true at the same time.
I still believe that SOME form of an 'economy' is necessary. Resources are NOT limitless. Either various metals or chemicals (metalloids or non-metals) or Energy....Unless you can harness the SUN.
Anything not limitless must somehow be allocated?
And for 'ANDY2'? Interdimensional travel may or may NOT be possible. But at what cost in ENERGY if it IS? And to get back? Do you need to bring that energy source WITH YOU so you can 'reopen' the gate?
Could be? Sure. I was thinking of a SciFi story where 'they' came from the future to secure genetic material to 'fix' what they'd screwed up and gotten themselves painted into a corner.
And YES....People tend to think like people. It's called anthropomorphism when we ascribe what 'we' consider normal to an alien speciees.
I wonder if Ocams Razor even applies?
Still and all? Visit US of all the planets possible? And apparently for quite a while? MUST therefore be a 'reason'? Strawberry Ice Cream? Earth Girls are EASY?
Any of a hundred POSSIBLE reasons, more than one of which may be true at the same time.
I still believe that SOME form of an 'economy' is necessary. Resources are NOT limitless. Either various metals or chemicals (metalloids or non-metals) or Energy....Unless you can harness the SUN.
Anything not limitless must somehow be allocated?
And for 'ANDY2'? Interdimensional travel may or may NOT be possible. But at what cost in ENERGY if it IS? And to get back? Do you need to bring that energy source WITH YOU so you can 'reopen' the gate?
What my comment about "what we know" was meant to be taken as a reference TO facts, real things, just to clarify that comment.
However, what we "think" is yes, more or less useless babble.
The gullible people are prone to that nonsense.
An open mind, is one that's open to new information. Such new new info. may, or may not show up, or, if it does, may not pass critical analysis. But an open mind fairly gives it that chance. It does not mean the blind acceptance of all new notions.
A closed mind assumes that it is already in possession of all relevant facts, so, does not need to hear and fairly evaluate any new information. Or, won't risk the possibility that what it currently believes to be factual, is not.
Kens right, we’re in ever changing flux……I’m sure in a 1,000 yrs we’ll be looking back on some of the things we currently believe as fact with a chuckle. (That is of course if we make it that long)
June 25 is when the DoD supposed to present an unclassified report to Congress .... only 4 days away ..... but there are talks of a delay because they need more time to put together the report.
Also there is very little we know of the deep ocean. If I were an advanced civilization visiting earth, that is one place where it is best to hide. There could be an alien space ship somewhere down there.
They would soon get fed up at bottom of ocean.
They would be better shape shifting into humans and going clubbing.
They would be better shape shifting into humans and going clubbing.
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