Careful, that's awfully close of saying that the government decides who's a conspiracy theorist. Some would say that THAT is what makes you a conspiracy theorist.
I don’t think every vehicle must be piloted. No doubt, many of the vehicles are either automated or under remote control. However, whether piloted or not, the underlying radical flight technology remains just as enigmatic.
Yes because everyone knows that all governments never lie and only tell the truth?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Indeed, that's right.
And naturally, herd mentality is a strong force against alleged story-tellers who fail to have any solid proof.
However, my previous experience (see my story in post #86) is one where I saw with my own eyes and heard with my own ears something strange and odd, and no one, not even the government, can tell me or convice me differently of what I experienced.
It's like me walking down the street and smashing a worm on the ground with my foot, and no one else saw me do it, and insists that I'm making things up.
I read wiseoldtech's observation of a globe across the street above a house accompanied by high frequency sound aduible only to children & mice.
My observations only include a stationary orange globe with grey or purple band across the middle, at sunset on Galveston Island 1959. Easily explained by weather balloons. My vision was 20/15 in those days.
Many of these unidentified observations describe globe or ovoids, that can move sideways, forward or backwards, up or down at incredible speeds. At speeds that if the objects include mass, imply incredible power generation and thrust.
The opposite of incredible power applied to a massy object, is the massless photon. A flashlight beam can be scanned at incredible speeds on a low cloud or far wall by a tenth watt human hand. Perhaps some of the observed globes and ovoids are 3 dimension projections, emission of photons, by methods we don't understand yet, by entities we haven't communicated with. We are beginning to get a clue at 3D images with holographic projections, but such images can't track a jet plane off its wing yet.
As far as visitors from the stars, general & special relativity put a huge damper on the idea of moving massy objects, as ourselves & our life support systems, at a speed approaching the speed of light. The multiverse theory of quantum mechanics as proposed by physicist Hugh Elliot and explored by David Deutsch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Deutsch has not been conclusively IMHO disproved as opposed to the Copenhagen interpretation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_interpretation . Perhaps images can be projected across universe boundaries from alternates? I think proving or disproving quantum waveform collapse to "observable reality" by an instrument and observer deserves a lot more experimentation than is happening now.
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My observations only include a stationary orange globe with grey or purple band across the middle, at sunset on Galveston Island 1959. Easily explained by weather balloons. My vision was 20/15 in those days.
Many of these unidentified observations describe globe or ovoids, that can move sideways, forward or backwards, up or down at incredible speeds. At speeds that if the objects include mass, imply incredible power generation and thrust.
The opposite of incredible power applied to a massy object, is the massless photon. A flashlight beam can be scanned at incredible speeds on a low cloud or far wall by a tenth watt human hand. Perhaps some of the observed globes and ovoids are 3 dimension projections, emission of photons, by methods we don't understand yet, by entities we haven't communicated with. We are beginning to get a clue at 3D images with holographic projections, but such images can't track a jet plane off its wing yet.
As far as visitors from the stars, general & special relativity put a huge damper on the idea of moving massy objects, as ourselves & our life support systems, at a speed approaching the speed of light. The multiverse theory of quantum mechanics as proposed by physicist Hugh Elliot and explored by David Deutsch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Deutsch has not been conclusively IMHO disproved as opposed to the Copenhagen interpretation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_interpretation . Perhaps images can be projected across universe boundaries from alternates? I think proving or disproving quantum waveform collapse to "observable reality" by an instrument and observer deserves a lot more experimentation than is happening now.
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But what will they do on Earth ?
a species clever enough to travel through universe would be wise enough to stay in its sofa due to the entropy principle... Or not wise enough and need to make money like us ? Have they a Nasa equivalent that push people to lift from the sofa to visit universe just in case the neighboor's water was bluer enough to sacrifice some space travellers like we will do on Mars?
a species clever enough to travel through universe would be wise enough to stay in its sofa due to the entropy principle... Or not wise enough and need to make money like us ? Have they a Nasa equivalent that push people to lift from the sofa to visit universe just in case the neighboor's water was bluer enough to sacrifice some space travellers like we will do on Mars?
While I can't explain the high-pitched "whistle" of my event, the fact that the orb simply shot straight up into the heavens, dissapearing in a split second, as did that noise, fascinated me.
The nearby trees, plants, and any "loose objects" nearby, were not effected by any "rush of air" that would be caused by such a fast-moving object lifting from our atmosphere.
Nothing, no wind!
Yes but the way I see it is it makes more sense for this to be some simulation and us being some sort of AI algorithm, rather than have a very large "physical" realm that "they" also operate in, with more or less same limitations.
So it is not for our intelligence... maybe our blood... oh no, not a teen space vampires movie again !
Hi there,
I tend to think of it a bit differently:
They (aliens) don't travel at all, since it is very hard to move the mass at high speeds. Instead, only information travels (photons, or other "ghostly" particles).
Why?
Imagine someone, 200 years ago, who wanted to send a letter from Europe to U.S. It would travel for months (by boat perphaps).
Imagine if we were to tell someone then, that in 200 years, they would get that letter in less than a second. And then, a person would think "wow, in 200 years there will exist such a fast boat, able to cross the atlantic ocean in a fraction of a second?!" Impossible.
I am affraid that humnkind still thinks with that "reasoning" except that the boat is replaced by a starship. Of course it will never travel that fast, that far. We need to imagine otherwise.
What if UFO s are just massless orbs? The "key" is to exclude the mass from the equation. It would perhaps exist a means to get "materialized" here on Earth, or wherever needed, just as the printer will print that e-mail in a sheet of paper...
Just my 2 (virtual) cents 🙂
I tend to think of it a bit differently:
They (aliens) don't travel at all, since it is very hard to move the mass at high speeds. Instead, only information travels (photons, or other "ghostly" particles).
Why?
Imagine someone, 200 years ago, who wanted to send a letter from Europe to U.S. It would travel for months (by boat perphaps).
Imagine if we were to tell someone then, that in 200 years, they would get that letter in less than a second. And then, a person would think "wow, in 200 years there will exist such a fast boat, able to cross the atlantic ocean in a fraction of a second?!" Impossible.
I am affraid that humnkind still thinks with that "reasoning" except that the boat is replaced by a starship. Of course it will never travel that fast, that far. We need to imagine otherwise.
What if UFO s are just massless orbs? The "key" is to exclude the mass from the equation. It would perhaps exist a means to get "materialized" here on Earth, or wherever needed, just as the printer will print that e-mail in a sheet of paper...
Just my 2 (virtual) cents 🙂
Relativity is a damper to interstellar visitation, yes. Precludes it, no. As was famously brought to attention by physicist Miguel Alcubierre, relativity allows for faster than light travel. After all, the universe itself is expanding at a velocity greater than the speed of light. As Alcubierre's seminal paper teased, travel is permitted under relativity, and at arbitrarily high velocity at that. Arbitrarily high meaning, many many times the speed of light. To do so, requires generating a highly localized and controlled distortion of space-time which then carries along the traveling vehicle. The vehicle would experience no acceleration forces, nor time-dilation effects. Since gravity distorts space-time, it seems to follow that a technology which could generate and manipulate gravity could warp space-time in the manner required for a propulsion system. In THEORY, enabling faster than light travel. In addition to the warping of space-time, there are any number of of other practical issues to be addressed, of course. Now, I don't suggest that we are currently being visited from other star systems in this manner, as I have no idea. Just that relativity doesn't preclude it.
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Us Earthlings only have knowledge of our own reality, our own teachings.
And speculation of what's outside in the universe.
If other intelligent beings exist at all, it's likely that their reality, for lack of another word, is vastly different from ours.
Earth is like a single grain of sand on a massive beach we call the universe.
And speculation of what's outside in the universe.
If other intelligent beings exist at all, it's likely that their reality, for lack of another word, is vastly different from ours.
Earth is like a single grain of sand on a massive beach we call the universe.
Although the idea proposed by Alcubierre is consistent with the Einstein field equations, construction of a faster than light drive is not necessarily possible.
The Alcubierre warp drive would require space to have a negative energy density. Negative energy would suggest the existence of hypothetical particles having negative mass, which would violate known laws of physics.
If exotic matter with the correct properties cannot exist, then the drive cannot be constructed.
However, who knows where our physics will be in 10,000 years time - if we haven't been harvested by aliens by then!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive
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for being visited, the visitor must know where you live. How to make carts and manage distance when you live in an universe that expanses ?
If evolution works, there is no many chance a specie last and or live enough in one's life to travel through universe (and again for what ? Curiosity is maybe just an onthologic attribute of human being animal we are). And two civilisations for meeting should live at the same time... not easy. Ou days are certainly more near the end than the beginning due to the too big density and the lack of wisdome due to our specie. Especially because the others exploitation for material futilities and animal competition we can not get rid of. When people are not towards a same goal, it goes sooner or later on a wall without having inventing the brake yet. Here indeed, people are looking elsewhere, perhaps helped by their government or not, probably due to an entertainment culture caractheristic : litterature, lack of old history may help to create a fantasmatic one oriented towards the future... dunno ?!
It is yet possible we do not last most than Neanderthals or Denisovians due to some characters of the species like confusing religion over science, fantasm over logic, competition over survival, soda over water, etc.
Let see the facts : for instance one american on two believe not to the global warming is from human activity (understand I do not want to reduce my way of life and still have children), believe in conspiracies without any solid facts and analyses : eleven september, flying saucers, etc).
The bigger it is, the more you want to believe it... and of course that is even easier when you bath into it from the childhood. SF has swapped the religion, but that the same process which is anthropocentrism projection. Here people talk about colossus theories on clay feets !
Which is worrisome because it shows a big distress and borring as intelectual retreat which is odd for this place where people are attracted by rational things... well it is maybe our musical part inside us !
Of course it stays funny as a bar discussion around some glass of wine or beer 🙂
If evolution works, there is no many chance a specie last and or live enough in one's life to travel through universe (and again for what ? Curiosity is maybe just an onthologic attribute of human being animal we are). And two civilisations for meeting should live at the same time... not easy. Ou days are certainly more near the end than the beginning due to the too big density and the lack of wisdome due to our specie. Especially because the others exploitation for material futilities and animal competition we can not get rid of. When people are not towards a same goal, it goes sooner or later on a wall without having inventing the brake yet. Here indeed, people are looking elsewhere, perhaps helped by their government or not, probably due to an entertainment culture caractheristic : litterature, lack of old history may help to create a fantasmatic one oriented towards the future... dunno ?!
It is yet possible we do not last most than Neanderthals or Denisovians due to some characters of the species like confusing religion over science, fantasm over logic, competition over survival, soda over water, etc.
Let see the facts : for instance one american on two believe not to the global warming is from human activity (understand I do not want to reduce my way of life and still have children), believe in conspiracies without any solid facts and analyses : eleven september, flying saucers, etc).
The bigger it is, the more you want to believe it... and of course that is even easier when you bath into it from the childhood. SF has swapped the religion, but that the same process which is anthropocentrism projection. Here people talk about colossus theories on clay feets !
Which is worrisome because it shows a big distress and borring as intelectual retreat which is odd for this place where people are attracted by rational things... well it is maybe our musical part inside us !
Of course it stays funny as a bar discussion around some glass of wine or beer 🙂
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People believe a lot of stuff. Our minds are very flawed and not very rational by nature. It takes effort to be rational. We could virtually "turn the grey matter off' and let our minds work in default mode. I think a whole lot of people live their whole lives that way. Our minds are "good enough" but terribly flawed, yet we made it this far.
Evolution is about "good enough" and not perfection. I was reading about cat behavior in a cat training article. Cats have complex social needs, just like dogs. This is why dogs and cats are so easy to domesticate, I think. But while dogs have us figured out probably better than we have ourselves figured out, cats do not. We are enigmatic to a feral cat. They have to learn to understand our behavior, and learn how to socialize with us in a harmonious way. As many of us know, a dog is pretty much born that way. They have co-evolved to that niche of being our companions. It's literally what they're best at.
Cats are way behind dogs in this regard. They have complex needs, yet have to learn to please us and live with us as companions. That's far from ideal, but it's "good enough" for them to live in that niche of being our companions.
Evolution is about "good enough" and not perfection. I was reading about cat behavior in a cat training article. Cats have complex social needs, just like dogs. This is why dogs and cats are so easy to domesticate, I think. But while dogs have us figured out probably better than we have ourselves figured out, cats do not. We are enigmatic to a feral cat. They have to learn to understand our behavior, and learn how to socialize with us in a harmonious way. As many of us know, a dog is pretty much born that way. They have co-evolved to that niche of being our companions. It's literally what they're best at.
Cats are way behind dogs in this regard. They have complex needs, yet have to learn to please us and live with us as companions. That's far from ideal, but it's "good enough" for them to live in that niche of being our companions.
If you read the Alcubierro article on wikipedia, travel in his drive requires a previous slower than light trip to set up machinery along the FTL path, like rails or a tunnel. With planets & stars wandering all around, the chances of that are infinitesmal. Maybe if we set a colony on some star <10 LY distant. Plus, the negative energy barrier post 2294. Plus the cost of the Alcubierro railway. We are having to raise the national debt to repair a tunnel between New Jersey & Manhattan, plus the bridge between Cincinnati OH and Covington KY.
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Let alone the random matter you may encounter. At those speeds each atom packs quite a lot of punch. A pebble could blow everything up.
Also the light from the objects you're moving towards will get blue-shifted. Imagine the light reflected by our oceans becoming xrays instead of blue light. There's all kinds of issues at those relativistic speeds.