UFO's- Please help me process

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Oh really now. We're going to pretend that nobody ever claimed to see UFO. Really.
You said, "That's easy." So much for the easy to find quote. 🙄
How about the claims of Paul and Evelyn Trent? They claimed to have photographed a UFO. It's a famous photograph. But we're going to pretend like nobody here has ever seen it. OK. .🙄

So I don't think they're lying or insincere. I neither believe nor disbelieve their claims. That's it.
Side stepping noted. So this is your indirect admission that you don't know what you are talking about.
 
"Claiming theories are not hard facts is fair enough, but then be prepared to offer some alternative. What do you say about relativity and the fact that FTL will require ENORMOUS energy levels? You discard these theories, but offer no scientifically testable hypothesis as an alternative."

Fact? I am not a physicist, but I know that you can't apply a known to be incomplete theory to something it doesn't necessarily address. The current incomplete theory says that "FTL will require ENORMOUS energy levels". You say there isn't another way to achieve FTL travel because a known to be incomplete theory says it's not possible, and you say this without any hard evidence. New hypotheses are being worked on as we speak. This work is being done because the theory is known to be incomplete. I am confident that science will figure it out eventually, and a new theory will be developed that will allow us to supplant the old ones.

Sorry, but using "science denialism" to paint others while you play fast and loose with science to fit your agenda is unacceptable.

If you were a photon, or acted like a photon, you would be traveling at the speed of light. For anything that travels at the speed of light time stands still. It's counterintuitive but has been proven by Einstein. I have no reason to doubt it. This means that no matter the distance the photon travels before it was absorbed on a distant object (radiation heating) it would take only an instant.

FTL is not required to go enormous distances. The only conflict would be that the faster you travel the more those people you left would age. For example, if you traveled to the very farthest galaxies in the universe at the speed of light it would still just take an instant as measured in your own time. However if you tried to return home it would be very possible that our own milky way galaxy might not still exist, let alone all the people you once knew.

So speed of light does just fine if you are willing to accept that everyone you now know you will never see again.
 
I am a firm believer in science.

Fact? I am not a physicist, but I know that you can't apply a known to be incomplete theory to something it doesn't necessarily address. New hypotheses are being worked on as we speak. This work is being done because the theory is known to be incomplete. I am confident that science will figure it out eventually, and a new theory will be developed that will allow us to supplant the old ones.
A bit oxymoronic, no? What in science has ever been unequivocally proven? Science is more faith based than religion. We have theories for theories to validate our assumptions. The very notion of establishing a scientific truth is a theoretical issue. We live in the moment. 🙂


not taking you to task at all.
 
@tizman
What has gravity got to do with providing hard evidence of alien visitations?

Claiming it does is a classic science denialism approach.

You are the science denier. You deny the limitations of the science you use to prove and disprove things. You show me evidence of a full understanding of the the four forces/interactions. You can’t deny the possibility of something without fully understanding it, and we don’t fully understand it. Your stance has more to do with religion than a belief in science. Believing in science in the same way that people believe in religion is not better. I suggest that you look at the stick in your eye before pointing out the mote in other’s eyes.
 
A bit oxymoronic, no? What in science has ever been unequivocally proven? Science is more faith based than religion. We have theories for theories to validate our assumptions. The very notion of establishing a scientific truth is a theoretical issue. We live in the moment. 🙂


not taking you to task at all.
Yes. The moment is a snapshot in time. It reflects what we know in that moment. Even the most casual look at different past moments in time shows us that what we think we know can keep us from moving forward. It also shows that orthodoxy and irrational belief in existing paradigms are fool’s pursuits.
 
A bit oxymoronic, no? What in science has ever been unequivocally proven? Science is more faith based than religion. We have theories for theories to validate our assumptions. The very notion of establishing a scientific truth is a theoretical issue. We live in the moment. 🙂


not taking you to task at all.
Yes. The moment is a snapshot in time. It reflects what we know in that moment. Even the most casual look at different past moments in time shows us that what we think we know can keep us from moving forward. It also shows that orthodoxy and irrational belief in existing paradigms are fool’s pursuits.
 
You are the science denier. You deny the limitations of the science you use to prove and disprove things. You show me evidence of a full understanding of the the four forces/interactions. You can’t deny the possibility of something without fully understanding it, and we don’t fully understand it. Your stance has more to do with religion than a belief in science. Believing in science in the same way that people believe in religion is not better. I suggest that you look at the stick in your eye before pointing out the mote in other’s eyes.

Stop obsfucating and produce hard evidence of alien visitation.
 
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