So if they are communicating to each other and we don’t have the technology to pick it up, they automatically don’t exist?
Well, I haven’t seen one since. Are there any believable ball lightning videos? I saw one on YouTube awhile back, but it looked fake to me.
I think they're searching for radio waves. Or at least they were at one point. Old tech to say the least....
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I’ve heard credible reports. You see, I’ve always been interested in plasma physics, I did my MSc. and my PhD in plasma physics but it was a rather long time ago.
It's a necessity for communication purpose, no?
That's a big if.
I think it's more than vast majority. All but humans, maybe.
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What tizman said. Plus, the evidence you are referring to is our level of evidentiary technology. Unless you know for sure that our current technical level in such field is the ultimate one in the universe, it remains as speculation.
We have no reason to think so unless there's evidence. So far the only evidence we have is that they don't. That and the improbability science reveals.
I don't think they do. Do you know someone who can communicate with those animals like a translator? Or like Spock does in Star Trek (mind meld)? if you do, then it may shed some light on this matter.
Um, we don’t have evidence they don’t; we don’t have evidence they do. Not an insignificant difference.
It's our current level of evidentiary technology. Remember, not long ago, we didn't have any way to observe radio signals even if it came from exoplanet. There is a chance that by the time we were able to, those signals have passed us and possibly the last broadcast before some being decided to upgrade to something else that we don't have yet.
Prior to 1892, science didn’t know that viruses existed. Does that mean that viruses didn’t exist prior to 1892? How about a more modern example. When I was in my early 20s, I had an stomach ulcer. At that time my doctor told me my ulcer was caused by stress. Ten years later, it was a bacteria, Helicobacter pylori, that caused my ulcer. Was it always Helicobacter pylori, or was it stress initially, and then Helicobacter pylori once science discovered it?
slim to none
Chance that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe
Chance that intelligent life within 200 lightyears of earth has electromagnetic communications technology that we could detect
Chance that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe within a distance that would be reasonable to cross at near lightspeed (sort of follows from the last)
Chance that not only does intelligent life exist within our universe but it has traveled here on multiple occasions at trans-light speed and every government on the earth has successfully conspired to keep it a secret from everyone except a few crazy people on YouTube.
Chance that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe
Chance that intelligent life within 200 lightyears of earth has electromagnetic communications technology that we could detect
Chance that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe within a distance that would be reasonable to cross at near lightspeed (sort of follows from the last)
Chance that not only does intelligent life exist within our universe but it has traveled here on multiple occasions at trans-light speed and every government on the earth has successfully conspired to keep it a secret from everyone except a few crazy people on YouTube.
Can't say I disagree with the last 3 assertions.
Not so sure about the first, although it seems exceedingly unlikely that we (as a species) will ever know, either way.
Not so sure about the first, although it seems exceedingly unlikely that we (as a species) will ever know, either way.
re: bending space time for FLT travel
Seems to me that light that also passed through that temporary "door" would be detectable. The source would appear further, then nearer, then back to further again.
Seems to me that light that also passed through that temporary "door" would be detectable. The source would appear further, then nearer, then back to further again.
You’re working backwards from a conclusion. I could just as easily claim that such things do exist and the conspiracy to keep it silent has failed, as exhibited by government folk and the astronomers who testify to that assertion.
There is no chance that any alien is visiting us if they are travelling below light speed.
There is little chance that, if they are travelling faster than light speed, we would be able to receive the sort of communications that they would need to be using in order to communicate with each other.
This is another example of applying what we currently understand as though it is all we will ever understand. See post number 633. It doesn't prove they exist, and it doesn't prove that they don't exist.
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well, there are examples of human - ape interaction using human sign language which is accepted as a fair alternative to speech when used between humans. I believe there’s a case of an ape teaching another ape this sign language. Apes share a lot of DNA with humans and I’m willing to accept the assertion that such apes are self aware. Are you?
As to how far can that be extended to other animals I don’t know, but once you accept a non-human can be self aware the door is open.
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