I'm trying to evaluate your question here, if the doctors who have years of training and are therefore most qualified to explain don't have a cure for it, then basically the sufferer has no option left. At that point, that person would (instinctively) put his faith in some fantastic and completely unproven homeopathic cure, no?
Most cancers don’t have a ‘cure’. You just get your life extended by a few years, unless you are very lucky.
I’ve lost quite a few to the disease. A qualified medical doctor is still your very best option. Of course, if you want to go with some fantastic ‘cure’, you’ll have to deal with consequences of an early demise. You’d also be stupid to do so.
Obviously you haven’t had much experience with doctors. I on the other hand have. For example, a long term infection that every doctor consulted said didn’t exist because their test was unable to culture a bacteria. The existence of this infection was confirmed years later with a DNA test. So, insufficient tests based on insufficient information, presented as gospel by actual “experts”. Another example is ulcers that were due to “stress”. They ended up being due to a bacterial infection as well. Thanks for the medical example that proves my point. You obviously don’t get it. Perhaps you need to hear it nine or ten more times? Let me know.
On ulcers, stress is a factor in amongst a number of others. If you’re stressed, your susceptibility to infection increases.
On your other problem, may I respectfully suggest you seek better medical advice - clearly whoever you’ve been dealing with doesnt cut it.
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If the doctors who have years of training and are therefore most qualified to explain, say that there will be early demise with such fantastic and completely unproven homeopathic cure, then I would listen to the doctor/s.you’ll have to deal with consequences of an early demise.
Maybe that's easy to do where you live. Around where I am, not so easy.seek better medical advice
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I wish it were true in the case of the family member affected. It was just orthodoxy to take samples and attempt to culture them. Two general practitioners and three specialists were consulted.
Doctors have the authority to order whatever tests they believe are needed. They can also suffer from Groupthink, habit, tiredness etc. On more than one occasion my family and I have experienced medical care in Ontario for minor and life-ending issues and shortly afterwards in a private Hong Kong hospital - there was simply no comparison in the level of expertise, and orders of magnitude in terms of access to technology, I’m sad to say.
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That.fantastic and completely unproven homeopathic cure, then I would listen to the doctor/s.
Yet with fantastic and completly unproven "UFO claims" , Believers say NO to "Doctors" and attack them (in this case, Scientists)
On ulcers, stress is a factor in amongst a number of others. If you’re stressed, your susceptibility to infection increases.
On your other problem, may I respectfully suggest you seek better medical advice - clearly whoever you’ve been dealing with doesnt cut it.
My point is that best guesses are not the same as knowing for certain, and believing that best guesses are certainty is a problem in general. H. Pylori was not identified as a primary cause for ulcers for a long time. With respect to better medical advice, in the particular case of the unidentified bacterial infection, the specialists were all on the same page. The wrong page, but they all repeated the same mantra. If we can’t culture it, it doesn’t exist. The lack of a test for something doesn’t preclude its existence. Refuting the existence of something with full knowledge that the tests available are insufficient or limited is not very scientific.
That.
Yet with fantastic and completly unproven "UFO claims" , Believers say NO to "Doctors" and attack them (in this case, Scientists)
Trolling.
Nobel Prize for H. pylori Discovery | Gastrointestinal Society
Here’s a tidbit from this article....
“Until that time, so entrenched was the belief that lifestyle caused ulcers that, even with their evidence, it was difficult for these two researchers to convince the world of H. pylori’s role in ulcer disease. In fact, Alfred Nobel himself said in the late 19th century, “Worry is the stomach’s worst poison.” To provide even more conclusive evidence, in 1985 Marshall deliberately infected himself with the bacterium and established his own stomach illness.”
Orthodoxy is the enemy of progress, and willful ignorance is orthodoxy’s weapon of choice. It’s a repeated pattern so common that it must be human nature. Prior to Marshall’s discovery, we didn’t know what caused ulcers, but you couldn’t tell we didn’t know when you went to your doctor with an ulcer. The previous lack of an adequate test doesn’t mean that before the discovery ulcers were caused by stress and spicy foods, and after the discovery and its acceptance as scientifically sound, ulcers were caused by H. Pylori. Ulcers were always caused by H. Pylori.
There is a lesson to be learned from this example for those open minded enough to accept and process it.
Here’s a tidbit from this article....
“Until that time, so entrenched was the belief that lifestyle caused ulcers that, even with their evidence, it was difficult for these two researchers to convince the world of H. pylori’s role in ulcer disease. In fact, Alfred Nobel himself said in the late 19th century, “Worry is the stomach’s worst poison.” To provide even more conclusive evidence, in 1985 Marshall deliberately infected himself with the bacterium and established his own stomach illness.”
Orthodoxy is the enemy of progress, and willful ignorance is orthodoxy’s weapon of choice. It’s a repeated pattern so common that it must be human nature. Prior to Marshall’s discovery, we didn’t know what caused ulcers, but you couldn’t tell we didn’t know when you went to your doctor with an ulcer. The previous lack of an adequate test doesn’t mean that before the discovery ulcers were caused by stress and spicy foods, and after the discovery and its acceptance as scientifically sound, ulcers were caused by H. Pylori. Ulcers were always caused by H. Pylori.
There is a lesson to be learned from this example for those open minded enough to accept and process it.
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The graphic I put up re ulcers is current. There is no doubt a bacteria is ultimately responsible for ulcers (and I have never contested that point - it’s been known for years), but like many things in medicine, there are a number of other contributing factors.
I don’t think there a lack of an open mind on aliens, just the requirement to for some testable evidence. Without it, it’s faith based and that’s not science is it? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. As I’ve said before, and others on this thread, lights in the sky = alien visitation doesn’t cut it.
I don’t think there a lack of an open mind on aliens, just the requirement to for some testable evidence. Without it, it’s faith based and that’s not science is it? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. As I’ve said before, and others on this thread, lights in the sky = alien visitation doesn’t cut it.
Who used =?lights in the sky = alien visitation doesn’t cut it.
Ulcers were always caused by H. Pylori.
Not true. Management of peptic ulcer disease not related to Helicobacter pylori or NSAIDs - PubMed
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. As I’ve said before, and others on this thread, lights in the sky = alien visitation doesn’t cut it.
It's like religion to me. No evidence, but the sky magic is real, because.
There's no evidence for sky magic, and there's no evidence for ETs. Until there is, I will put zero stock in both.
Are you the one who used "=", the one who Bonsai is referring to?It's like religion to me. No evidence, but the sky magic is real, because.
You seem to be conflating lights in the sky with ET; is this not true?
It seems to only be the ones in the denial camp doing this…
Bad faith handbook: Make a claim look extraordinary so one can demand “extraordinary evidence.”
It seems to only be the ones in the denial camp doing this…
Bad faith handbook: Make a claim look extraordinary so one can demand “extraordinary evidence.”
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