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The question of an accurate estimate is really quite moot imo.
Sure, if there is a good chance of intelligent life arising 1 billion years before we did, that leaves the day open to huge possibilities. A lot can happen in a billion years. Of course life here is older than that, but it didn't takes us long to get where we are - about 4 Billion years, yeah? Quite possible that other life has a billion or more years jump on us.
 
Sure, if there is a good chance of intelligent life arising 1 billion years before we did, that leaves the day open to huge possibilities. A lot can happen in a billion years. Of course life here is older than that, but it didn't takes us long to get where we are - about 4 Billion years, yeah? Quite possible that other life has a billion or more years jump on us.

That's all I'm saying, Pano. My 5B year estimate (but call it a billion) measures the time between us and a hypthetical prior civilization already living at our current level of development. 1B (5B) years of extra development beyond ours. I can't even imagine a few thousand years of development. Imagine when they get quantum computing going in even the next 10 or 15 years (probably much sooner). Technological and scientific development will hugely accelerate, which will accelerate the means of generating that acceleration.
 
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You mean quantum entanglement.
It's all said about it?

Yes, popilin, entanglement, non-locality, connectedness---there are many terms denoting that "spooky action at a distance," as Einstein rightly called it. What non-locality implies is that appearance in form here---some happening here---is something of a theatre-show of a deeper, non-dimensional information play. Non-locality of this type is implied by the wholism (Bohr's term) of quantum happenings. The force of this implication is why Bohr and Einstein vigourously argued the issue decades before anyone could do anything at all to try to demonstrate non-locality in a lab.
 
Yes, popilin, entanglement, non-locality, connectedness---there are many terms denoting that "spooky action at a distance," as Einstein rightly called it. What non-locality implies is that appearance in form here---some happening here---is something of a theatre-show of a deeper, non-dimensional information play. Non-locality of this type is implied by the wholism (Bohr's term) of quantum happenings. The force of this implication is why Bohr and Einstein vigourously argued the issue decades before anyone could do anything at all to try to demonstrate non-locality in a lab.

Once I studied all this, and my problem was/is, it may seem stupid, I'm the side of Einstein!
I know the work of Dr. Zeilinger, since the photons on the Danube.
I must confess that Quantum Mechanics still gives me pain ... of stomach.
Quantum Mechanics measuring well, but it sounds bad, my very personal opinion.
I'm a "Classical Renegade"...😀
 
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If a large flying saucer landed tomorrow and an Alien asked you if you'd like to
leave mother Earth for another planetary system 'for good!' , how many of you would really take up such an offer ?

I think I would ! 🙂
Seen enough of THIS blue watery ball !

( Why a 'large flying saucer '? Because a small flying saucer will be cramped and uncomfortable for a 'long' journey. 😀 )
 
Yes. Not only individuals, but social systems also need to be durable. Other species with similar brains have existed on earth and apparently became extinct because they failed to develop a society that could compete against our own species. Considering our brains are pretty much the same when we are born, we must attribute nearly all of our subsequent development to society, which retains its knowledge and intelligence over many generations of many individuals.

It has been recently shown with new genetic proceedures and research that not all archaic species simply died out, as in complete physical extinction. Evidently Neanderthal DNA has been found to exist as a small part of modern human DNA. This means some of them must have been absorbed by our gene pool.

There are many examples of knowledge lost to history. When civilizations collapse, people are driven more into survival mode and have little use and access to all of the knowledge the previous civilization provided. The complete destruction of the Alexandria library contents in the 7th century is a good example of lost knowledge. I'm sure it will happen again if not by censorship, by technological losses. Think of the mass ignorance that would befall man if a large CME were to crash into the magnetosphere of the Earth, taking with it the majority of power grids around the world? It would take years and $trillions to fix it. What? No more Wikipedia?:bigeyes:😀
 
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They have a humongous memory/data bank in an accessible parallel system !
You could find any book/memory/thought you would want ! Everything is available in 3D colour and 360 deg Si-fi sound !
What more could you ask for ? 😀
 
If a large flying saucer landed tomorrow and an Alien asked you if you'd like to
leave mother Earth for another planetary system 'for good!' , how many of you would really take up such an offer ?

I think I would ! 🙂

That's because you do not know Traslasierra.😎

( Why a 'large flying saucer '? Because a small flying saucer will be cramped and uncomfortable for a 'long' journey. 😀 )

LOL.
This good for another thread, below.😀
 
Once I studied all this, and my problem was/is, it may seem stupid, I'm the side of Einstein!
I know the work of Dr. Zeilinger, since the photons on the Danube.
I must confess that Quantum Mechanics still gives me pain ... of stomach.
Quantum Mechanics measuring well, but it sounds bad, my very personal opinion.
I'm a "Classical Renegade"...😀

I know the feeling. Post WWII, we've been led away from thinking philosophically in physics. This largely came from an instrumentalist perspective (a business perspective) that for various reasons as I see them grew in America. The Northern European way of doing science virtually died, though not completely. Americans are not by nature philosophical; business interests tend to rule the day. The figurehead for American quantum physics was Feynman, who famously instructed his students, "Don't think. Calculate!" Philosophical musing is too soft.

(You can read that approach even on DIY pages---that ultimate valuing of objectivity and measurements, god measurements).

The problem with instrumentalizing physics is that physics depends in one essential of its poles on conceptualization. Beneath all those numbers and calculations are ideas and assumptions about what is, about the character of nature and of the relatedness we see and experience all around us. Numbers can aid showing where a deeper conceptualization needs to occur, but nothing automatic will do the work required to actually think deeply about what the hell we mean to say "particle" or "wave."

Bohr once wrote a letter to Einstein, responding to Einstein's comment to him that God doesn't play dice with the world. In his letter, Bohr said that Einstein showed the way forward for physics: physics will now be done by questioning assumptions (in other words, by doing thought experiments that show where two assumptions contradict). Bohr then cleverly remarked to Einstein that by virtue of Einstein's own assumptions, God could not, in fact, play dice. Fantastic, subtle stuff.

Look at the cutting-edge labs in quantum physics today. They're largely in Europe. You tell me.
 
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Yeah... that Feynman. What a dolt! I'm a little offended by that post, but I won't throw a fit over it. Clueless is as clueless does.
I did want to say, though, that I mentioned 'Wonderful Life' because in between the subtle memory jogs of Planet of the Apes and Silent Running, there seemed to be a misconception that evolution has some sort of predetermined or formulaic path toward "consciousness" or "self-awareness" or whatever term you'd care to give it. It just ain't so.
 
If a large flying saucer landed tomorrow and an Alien asked you if you'd like to
leave mother Earth for another planetary system 'for good!' , how many of you would really take up such an offer ?

I think I would ! 🙂
Seen enough of THIS blue watery ball !

( Why a 'large flying saucer '? Because a small flying saucer will be cramped and uncomfortable for a 'long' journey. 😀 )

Interesting..

Take up the offer and find its boring (You would think not)(To you with only bottled water and no sea) and can't come back..only pills for dinner no taste..no animals..just predators...Can't step outside because its poison to you..locked in a zoo for curious aliens to look at? You may be looked upon as a pet...not being able to understand even basic ideas<<imagine giving an Ipad containing string theory to a medieval philosopher?


A small UFO is cramped?<<like the TARDIS..😀
The long journey<<😕 why long?

This is how you would fall into the trap..its assumtions<<You dont have to look far for the answer mars one they go for the rest of their life?

With the torment of being able to see earth but can't come home for ever😕 and as they get ill with old age longing for just the touch of a real bed and the sun on their face the wind in their hair and the sound of the sea..
Looking out of the window bed ridden at the endless red sand..

I guess euthanasia would be have to be allowed.. and should be beyond reproach..


Regards
M. Gregg
 
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