UFOs, Black Projects, Shadow Goverments ETC.

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Wavebourn, life was not "proved" before it appeared---that's the problem with newness, it doesn't follow previous "laws" of "proof." Quite apart from that, if you've read Gödel and understood him, you would see a basic flaw in your sentence regarding proof generally (one can only prove in the manner of one's assumptions).
 
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And no need to invent aliens who come here and did genetic engineering, including cultivar of wheat that appeared as if from nowhere. There were enough of experiments during previous big bangs.

Aliens.😀

It can be proved that wheat has been cultivated by us humans long ago, as was corn, flax, grapes, tomatoes, and most every other food crop.🙂 No genetic engineering required, just selective breeding. This goes for dogs and other animals too. After all, ALL dogs came from wolves.

Culture and environment creates selective breeding in humans, which in turn creates culture.:xeye:
 
Wavebourn, life was not "proved" before it appeared---that's the problem with newness, it doesn't follow previous "laws" of "proof." Quite apart from that, if you've read Gödel and understood him, you would see a basic flaw in your sentence regarding proof generally (one can only prove in the manner of one's assumptions).

I mean only that both can't be proven: neither genetic engineering by aliens, nor cyclic evolution of Universe.

Of course, by "proof" I mean a speculative model that does not contradict common sense. 🙂
 
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I mean only that both can't be proven: neither genetic engineering by aliens, nor cyclic evolution of Universe.

Of course, by "proof" I mean a speculative model that does not contradict common sense. 🙂

Ok, yes, gotcha.

Yes. AKA Akashic Records. Or In-formation, the term of Ervin Laszlo.

Ahh, right on. Our theories assume information is conserved in the universe. Laszlo but fleshes that assumption out a bit, respectably, in my view.
 
A friend of mine told me about an experiment conducted by Dr Dietrich Klinghardt MD PhD.
The experiment would prove that long-term memory is outside the brain, outside the body itself.
Now I think see a connection.

The brain is very possibly (very likely, imo) a tuning device that accesses information stored in some god-knows-what holographic field. But such field wouldn't have dimensionality like that we associate with matter-like space and time, so quotations marks around "holographic field." Why? Because information is constitutive of what we perceive as spatially and temporally extended, so is logically prior to such. Laszlo suggests the Akashic field is non-local. I think he's right. For my part, I cannot imagine non-locality to itself have a "place." That would be a contradiction in terms.
 
The brain is very possibly (very likely, imo) a tuning device that accesses information stored in some god-knows-what holographic field. But such field wouldn't have dimensionality like that we associate with matter-like space and time, so quotations marks around "holographic field." Why? Because information is constitutive of what we perceive as spatially and temporally extended, so is logically prior to such. Laszlo suggests the Akashic field is non-local. I think he's right. For my part, I cannot imagine non-locality to itself have a "place." That would be a contradiction in terms.

This is a bit shocking for me.
It sounds very logical.
However, I find it hard to understand a phenomenon outside the space-time.
 
Selection of less nice dogs in the experiment lead to a fox, by the way. Selection of nice foxes lead to change of fur color! 😱

Yes. I am aware of an experiment in Russia on breeding of silver foxes. It seems the genes related to behaviour are also linked to appearance. The domesticated stock of foxes seemed to appear more like domesticated dogs. Quite interesting.
 
Thats an interesting point of view..

If the universe is a heaving mass of destruction and creation..Then not only do we have to overcome the "End of the World" but also the end of everything.. guess the saying we are all gods in the making comes to mind.
Gods? That's what the large scale social integration is for. We are the one true god in the making.

The point that evolution is directly linked to survival..ie if we don't survive we can't evolve..So the ability to survive has to be high on the list of requirements for any species that has become intelligent and possibly any life that could reach us..
Yes. Not only individuals, but social systems also need to be durable. Other species with similar brains have existed on earth and apparently became extinct because they failed to develop a society that could compete against our own species. Considering our brains are pretty much the same when we are born, we must attribute nearly all of our subsequent development to society, which retains its knowledge and intelligence over many generations of many individuals.

When I look now at the world it makes me think that we are so wrapped up in living we can't see the point of it..Life without purpose will not survive long in the universe..
Oh yes 🙂. Have you read any Hegel? Check out the "Phenomenology of Spirit". Tough going ( 😕 ^😱), but even if you get through the preface, it's worth the effort. You reminded me because possibly his most famous passage ends with "By the little that now satisfies Spirit, we can measure the extent of its loss." Probably more semantically correct in the German... Anyway, his point was that Science and the rest of philosophy at the time had got lost in detail and forgot the question it set out to answer...lost its connection with the divine, as he put it. He identified this as a logically necessary process, but one that must be punctuated by pauses for reappraisal and changes of direction. It is those revolutions that reconnect us with the divine, eventually. Hegel would kill me for trying to sum him up in a paragraph. The preface is all about why nobody should read the preface.

The fact that no mission to mars has happened yet is very sad...how long does it take to terraform a planet?
Not long if we all work together. I guess forever if we don't. Yes, it's sad that we're so slow to get a grip on terraforming even the one we're on.

I guess the idea from Dune comes to mind "the sleeper must awaken"..
Its interesting we seem to advance when threatened with extinction..
There seems to be money for everything except the important things.
Right. You reminded me of the matriarch in "Gormenghast", and Tom Bombadil in "Lord of the Rings". Hegel wrote, "The owl of Minerva flies just before dawn" i.e. at the darkest hour. Unfortunately, towards the end of the day, when everything in the world is just right, there's always the risk that the wraiths turn up.
 
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