Truth today is that besides producing average junk they are way more creative and productive than the west is. SMSL/Topping show what is possible at competitive prices and that may hurt. The devices are not perfect and mistakes are made but that also counts for products of western brands (if these are not already made in China).
Looking at the high prices in the west of electronic parts for private persons it makes little sense to DIY many devices. Maybe sad, maybe good but if quality is the main goal adding things up DIY will not grow but diminish. Inevitable.
When I worked in China I met UK/US engineers that worked on chinese made jet engines. Apparently the west had sold the designs together with engineering support before they were copied. Those engineers complained a lot about the chinese lack of knowledge and awkward design decisions. Look where the chinese are now in 2024 with airplane technology. Then look where Boeing is.
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In the heydays we copied integrated circuits using the latest technology micro lasers. I don't think they will make it that easy to copy since the US embargo on chip design and manufacture. When they are ahead, they remain ahead and just get better and better at it. I think you have little chance of seeing what goes into it, for a while anyway.
I can hardly believe it, are you really telling me this?
In my language "acoustic" means "not electric" and obviously I meant relative to the sound (acoustic, not electric), not to the electrical performance.
However, I can concede you that the translation is not the best on an international forum.
if you try to read instead of having fun alone (the real fun is when you are with others), maybe you will realize that it was all a generic and hypothetical speech.
And it is all too clear, so I must assume that you do not realize what you read? 😳
Yes, it can be.
I just read so somewhere...
🙂
Edit to add a (useless) screenshot.
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Look at their cities ! US is "ghetto" compared to the typical modern 22'nd century "star trek" Chinese city.
They have their own space station , and don't have to leave astronauts stranded there.
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"Marketing buzzwords" -
Short of stripping it naked , we can only guess. This is proprietary knowledge.
BTW , a TRUE class B would have horrendous switching distortion.
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The first time I went to a shopping mall there I was astounded. Self driving electrical vehicles for kids, crazy shows to promote octocore smart phones. Stuff definitely not found here then. Also real good quality clothing, glasses etc.
Nico Ras, you have a habit never mentioning to who you are speaking. It would help not to hide in generic addressing while being sarcastic.
Nico Ras, you have a habit never mentioning to who you are speaking. It would help not to hide in generic addressing while being sarcastic.
Nico Ras,
Believe me, I don't think it's the case for you to react like this, but obviously you can react as you wish.
I was just saying that my speech was admittedly hypothetical, so what did all your diatribe about why buy something and then modify it have to do with it?
It seems to me just auto-explivcative.
Furthermore, I pretty much always declare that I'm not an expert.
Go figure (2)...
Second hand deception ?
That is only what they have been told. Doubt Topping would want us DIY'ers to clone it.
Not that I would want to , already have 2 designs that could at least match it.
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Logon,
Who actually cares about the class. If it is not a guy its a girl or maybe something in between. If it does a good job of cleaning, shopping and all their other duties it really does not matter, you have a clean house, stocked with food and something you really don't want to listen to.
Who actually cares about the class. If it is not a guy its a girl or maybe something in between. If it does a good job of cleaning, shopping and all their other duties it really does not matter, you have a clean house, stocked with food and something you really don't want to listen to.
Look, I couldn't care less.
There was talk of that amplificator and I reported what I had read on a fairly well-known (I didn't say renowned) technical testing site.
It seems that suddenly this has become a fault!
Topping could of stole our DIY tech. Renamed "transitional miller compenstation" to "T'ang Ku LA" .
Many DIY'ers broke the PPM barrier a dacade ago.
Damn , I have at least 4 designs that I would like Audioscience to test.
Would we hear any of this ? I doubt it. I have a PPM amp , but my PC amp (the one I am listening to now) is only .005% oh , no !
can't tell the difference below .01% - or more. Noise floor is more important , so is headroom. can't forget about the speakers.
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Many DIY'ers broke the PPM barrier a dacade ago.
Damn , I have at least 4 designs that I would like Audioscience to test.
Would we hear any of this ? I doubt it. I have a PPM amp , but my PC amp (the one I am listening to now) is only .005% oh , no !
can't tell the difference below .01% - or more. Noise floor is more important , so is headroom. can't forget about the speakers.
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The B200, you probably all have seen it already. It looks nicely made. Although twice the price I think I would pay this for the better build and more than twice the power ... . It does take it into the more 'serious' integrated amplifier level though, but not many of those have 200w/ch. Plus I would need a decent Pre of some sort too. Tubes perhaps just to undo all the perfection?
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This isn't exactly the topic at hand, but it seems to always creep its ugly head into almost every discussion...
Not that it matters, but for the sake of discussion... I chose to give them a try simply because (in no particular order):
Edited to add -
"ItsAllInMyHead enjoy your new amps and kindly comment your pleasure or displeasure of your acquisition when you receive it." @Nico Ras - Will do.
Not that it matters, but for the sake of discussion... I chose to give them a try simply because (in no particular order):
- Attractive price to performance ratio (attractive to me anyway)
- Previous experience with the Topping brand has been positive. I have a few of their products with 1000+ hours on them. I've never received a defective unit or one that has not performed as advertised.
- Form factor ... let's call it Watts / Cubic Meter ... may work nicely for a particular system.
- <cue scoffs> Previous positive experience with gear at the top end of ASR's ratings.
- Excellent experience with returns / support from a big Topping on-line reseller. If I don't like it, I send it back. Maximum out of pocket cost might be $30 USD.
- I like to try new things, and I hold no particular dogma re: design to be sacred.
Edited to add -
"ItsAllInMyHead enjoy your new amps and kindly comment your pleasure or displeasure of your acquisition when you receive it." @Nico Ras - Will do.
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Topping B200 looks "class G'ish". 2 big black "confidential" boxes on the PCB ?
If they do what they are marketed as , (they do). They are a deal , cheaper /better than
Hypex NX500 , definitely cheaper than a Wolverine build.
Hopefully they have a long warranty , as they don't look even remotely serviceable. 1 year ? Ah , acceptable.
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If they do what they are marketed as , (they do). They are a deal , cheaper /better than
Hypex NX500 , definitely cheaper than a Wolverine build.
Hopefully they have a long warranty , as they don't look even remotely serviceable. 1 year ? Ah , acceptable.
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https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...-and-measurements-of-benchmark-ahb2-amp.7628/
I like the Benchmark AB2 , at least you could fix it.
Man , that is a big 2KW SMPS.
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I like the Benchmark AB2 , at least you could fix it.
Man , that is a big 2KW SMPS.
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Topping claims 200W/ch but over at ASR someone measured them quite a bit below that;
https://audiosciencereview.com/foru...ll-be-launched-in-late-may.53675/post-2044726
https://audiosciencereview.com/foru...ll-be-launched-in-late-may.53675/post-2044726