@kevinkr. I'm not sure. 2 different measurements, by different methods (one sweep, one pink noise) give a very similar result. Loading does change things, but it still seems like there is a dip from 3-8KHz. What is different between the 2 on inspection is that one seems like it could be corrected with a simple passive tilt. The other almost looks like the RIAA curve is out on their preamp. I guess the only way to find out for s(h)ure is measure one myself.
I was referring specifically to Bill's comment on some Shure cartridges..
I do recall that the DL-103R has a pretty broad dip peaking at about -1dB between 5 - 10kHz.
Denon actually publishes an individual curve with each cartridge, but one also has to wonder about the absolute accuracy of the JVC TRS-1005 test record used.
Link to some interesting commentary on JVC TRS-1007 and 1005 test records, translated from Japanese so it may be a bit hard to follow at times: www.edsstuff.org/docs/JVC_TRS-1007.pdf
Note that there is a table included of test records from various countries with a cryptic description of what they are.
I do recall that the DL-103R has a pretty broad dip peaking at about -1dB between 5 - 10kHz.
Denon actually publishes an individual curve with each cartridge, but one also has to wonder about the absolute accuracy of the JVC TRS-1005 test record used.
Link to some interesting commentary on JVC TRS-1007 and 1005 test records, translated from Japanese so it may be a bit hard to follow at times: www.edsstuff.org/docs/JVC_TRS-1007.pdf
Note that there is a table included of test records from various countries with a cryptic description of what they are.
I am happy with the tracking of benz glider slmr and zyx yatra, but also happy with the tracking of AT-24,AT-20SS & JICO SAS MM-1.
Soundwise,I love them all.
Treated right most carts does their best... Then it's up to us to decide where we can't chose one or the other to be the best for the vinyl at play.
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Actually I have decided which is best for me for most of the time,I just like them all and listen to all of them from time to time.If I had to choose only one , I (think) I know which it would be ...... ok maybe two 🙂
Well this is a mm thread so obvious. Don't be shy - your picks are the winners for you - others wote for other carts suiting their systems. But give as many facts about your system as possible so we can if possible try the whole chain 🙂
It is a game of synergie effects.
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It is a game of synergie effects.
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I didn't say because I thought my preferences might not be important.
No problem though,the mm I prefer is the AT-20SS and loaded at 100k (sometimes a bit lower)and 120pf (or there about in total).
The mc's (both) have been chosen because of their lack of the rather usual "ringiness" of many mc's which imo is partly caused by their suspension wires and damping combination,I could of course be wrong.
No problem though,the mm I prefer is the AT-20SS and loaded at 100k (sometimes a bit lower)and 120pf (or there about in total).
The mc's (both) have been chosen because of their lack of the rather usual "ringiness" of many mc's which imo is partly caused by their suspension wires and damping combination,I could of course be wrong.
Wrong? If you are happy with the sq - you are home 🙂 There might be other views - consider if they are worth to follow or not. There is no end if you hook on the main trend... Wow - that rhymed 🙂
120pF, is that including your phono amp input? Quite low..
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Yes. I have used 100K & 20pf at the mm input.I use parallel resistors or capacitors when I want to change them,by means of rca terminations in a parallel pair of rca sockets to the input rca inputs.
What I meant was do you count in the capacitance of your phono amp?
Then we have the cable and arm cabling and the cart cabling - is 120pF the total?
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Yes,the total.I only use parallel capacitance when I want to increase capacitance for some cartridges.
My arm cable is 60cm of a low capacitance type.So,it is that,the arm internal wiring and the phono preamp capacitance.That is why I said "120 pf or there about" .
My arm cable is 60cm of a low capacitance type.So,it is that,the arm internal wiring and the phono preamp capacitance.That is why I said "120 pf or there about" .
Well, you have options then 🙂
Can I ask what cabling you use at different stages?
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The arm on one turntable is the rega rb300 with the stock cable.
On another turntable,another rega has cardas 33awg internal wiring , one piece from cartridge pins till the back of the turntable where I use rca sockets.From there to the phono pre I can use different cables.The low capacitance one is a diy one with 28awg twisted copper/teflon conductors and shielded.This is the cable I use with the at20 and mm's in general.
On another turntable,another rega has cardas 33awg internal wiring , one piece from cartridge pins till the back of the turntable where I use rca sockets.From there to the phono pre I can use different cables.The low capacitance one is a diy one with 28awg twisted copper/teflon conductors and shielded.This is the cable I use with the at20 and mm's in general.
Thanks Panicos,
I'll check your figures out as I'm using a bunch of mm's myself. The arm in it self is unimportant for the figures but the resistive and capacitive load is. The lenght is imortant too as is the brand of the cable.
Be aware all, this will be foul at some point or another.
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Sonus Blue Gold + extra nedles
Stanton 881Smk2 + extra nedles
AKG P8ES SuperNova VdH2 stylus
A bunch of Shures the most untested yet...
Lot of others that I haven't tested yet...
Does this make me a better audophile? Does it make me know more about how the media should sound? No to both... I only know how these master designs sound in my chain of stuff.
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