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SY said:


Without breaking a sweat, anyone with real ambition could design twenty gravity motor devices that don't work. Please do better next time.


What..make one that works even less? Done! Presto! :p

On a more serious note, and we've had this discussion before, one should work hard at both sides or all sides of a given equation before stating or forming an 'opinion'. As an example, a well known member gave be grief when I pronounced that I felt that passive crossovers were still the KING of sonics, irregardless of their issues in the crossover band. He argued that digital was better and I should walk in the shoes of such, before saying such things. I even said it was a well condsidered opinion of mine, that was also well thought out and well balanced with lots of experience in each.

In the end, I ventured forth (not due to arguing with him) and purchased what is considered to be one of the best digital crossovers avaialbe today. I modified it so it would go from it's original $3.8KUS list price to a staggering $12k.

I happened accross one of his threads and interjected that ..after $5k and a month of my life on it..analog passive crossovers are STILL king.

He said I should not have done that to that crossover and should go and buy one modified by...someone else.

There is just no satisfying him on that one. He simply REFUSES to see.

My point..is that the same emotionally based problem exists....RIGHT HERE. And scientists..scientists ae simply the WORST when it comes to having an inability to see such things...and many of them utilize their so-called 'education' to maintain their postion. Many need more understanding of themselves long before the try to push 'laws' and 'theory' down everyone else's throats. Not exaclty laws and theoprys..but their inability to see that all laws and theories are 100% transitional. Temporary..AT BEST. What I mean is their behaviour where they work like demons to maintain their positions..with no attempt at probing and digging. Fair ones keep their mouths shut. They are reasonable. It is always the misanthropic who posess the mouths. Misanthropic scientists? Yes. Plenty to go around.

Go out and read few hundred books on these subjects and ponder them for a few decades. Ignorance does NOT equal truth. Or science. Like I've said before...'step away form the emotions'.

100% in your face. That's what I'm saying. Invest the energy and do it clearly. and don't let one little failure slow you down.

:)

And jacques..PUT IT DOWN. Please. Don't erupt here, on that subject....

DO NOT get this thread closed.

Also History is weak. very weak. It has no real understanding of what really went on 10k years ago. And most specifically, many people of current society and current relgions and current societal, cultral and scientific 'positions' have NO place in decipering or attempting to understand deeper aspects of history. Too much of their personal 'beliefs' are at stake. That ole' emotional demon arises and blocks logicial consideration based on facts garnered. Same For current science and phsyics---period. Same-ole..same-ole. A frightengingly large number of folks are clearly screwed in the head. They want their immediate comforts and will kill to maintain them. Very, very, very sad.
 
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KBK said:
[snip]My point..is that the same emotionally based problem exists....RIGHT HERE. And scientists..scientists ae simply the WORST when it comes to having an inability to see such things...and many of them utilize their so-called 'education' to maintain their postion. Many need more understanding of themselves long before the try to push 'laws' and 'theory' down everyone else's throats. Not exaclty laws and theoprys..but their inability to see that all laws and theories are 100% transitional. Temporary..AT BEST. What I mean is their behaviour where they work like demons to maintain their positions..with no attempt at probing and digging. Fair ones keep their mouths shut. They are reasonable. It is always the misanthropic who posess the mouths. Misanthropic scientists? Yes. Plenty to go around.[snip]
Too much of their personal 'beliefs' are at stake. That ole' emotional demon arises and blocks logicial consideration based on facts garnered. Same For current science and phsyics---period. Same-ole..same-ole. A frightengingly large number of folks are clearly screwed in the head. They want their immediate comforts and will kill to maintain them. Very, very, very sad.


KBK,

I agree to much of your post. But we should go the full nine yards, and realise that 'we' are part of it too. The way you look at scientists is, in the final analysis, no different than the way scientists look upon you.

The brain has an amazing capacity to rationalise whatever is necessary to protect our fragile ego, and hide that from our concious, rational 'self'.

It's not that many people are screwed in their head. It's just that they started at another position and therefore can only rationalise that particular viewpoint. They have every right to say that you and me are screwed in our heads, but they are wrong. You and I and everyone has started out on a different leg and that's what we rationalise. Both sides can perfectly logically reason why they are right and the other is screwed.

It's clear, if two parties tell the other they are screwed, one of them is wrong. There is no clear way to find out who really is. Statistically, you are screwed half the time, and the other guy the other half of the time ;)

And, unless we can get a grip on this and accept this, we will continue to run into people we think are screwed and they think we are screwed.....

Jan Didden
 
True enough.

I am always willing to be reasonable and be the first to pick up the metaphorical knife and churn it around in my psychological guts. Problem being, is..that for the folks who have a difficult time with such subjects..and they can come from any walk of life..those folks..if you give them one single tiny bit of wiggle room..they WILL dive through it to provide relief for themsleves in terms of staying fully away from self analysis, or internal reflection.

The point is to pin them solidly to the wall. No escape.

To follow up on the rotating sodium magnetic 'anomaly' (It isn't an anomaly, it is merely an unrecognised point of intra-molecular truth...It's solidus vs liquidus) experiment. The link point that, once again, for those who can't see it..here's another oppotunity to put it all together.

These experiments encompass the manipulation of solidus form materials. Thus the effects are minor at best. Note the change when it is 'molecule to molecule' as it is in the liquid state materials. The so called 'Lentz law' (?) (there were two lentz, one Lentz, the other Lenz) comes to life.


Remember this important bit: Silica is an EXCELLENT dielectric. When frozen. Ie..room temp. When liquid at over 2500F, it becomes a quite decent conductor.

Here's a comment on Caduceus coils:

Also note that strong gradients are an area already accepted by leading thermodynamicists to violate the second law of thermodynamics. E.g., see Dilip Kondepudi and Ilya Prigogine, Modern Thermodynamics: From Heat Engines to Dissipative Structures, Wiley, New York, 1998, reprinted with corrections 1999. Areas already known to violate thermodynamics are given on p. 459; one of them is strong gradients, another is memory of materials, etc. About such strong gradients, Kondepudi and Prigogine state that “not much is known, either theoretically or experimentally”.

Your work is the way to start from; do the sharp gradients under various conditions, and directly measure the results as best one can. Presently it appears that some of the phenomena are not measurable by conventional instruments, and so some special instrumentation may well be needed and have to be developed eventually.

As I can, I’m slowly working on the mechanisms for what may be happening in the vacuum (spacetime) itself when it suddenly experiences a very strong energy density gradient across a small gap. It appears that some rather astounding phenomenology does occur, very little of which is in the EM textbook at all. For your private information, Bedini has also done tremendous work in investigating such pulses and their effects on various circuits, components, etc. He has been able to reliably produce some of the new phenomenology, and control it and use it in actual working circuits. I believe he is presently filing at least one additional patent on some of his marvelous results and methods.

The fact that the second law (law of entropy production) of thermodynamics is already known to be violated by such strong gradients means that some negative entropy is often produced, in contradiction of the second law. In turn, this means a special way to extract (or get) extra energy violently from the local vacuum, since “negative entropy” means reduction of disorder, and in turn that means reordering of the vacuum (virtual state) disordered energy. In other words, there is definitely a negative entropy operation (or more than one) that can be involved. "



The thing they are all serching desperately for...rears it's head into the light of day...with the manipulation of the intra-molecular moment in the rotating mass of the conductive slurry in the sodium rotating mass experiment.

If you look CLOSELY... you wil fnd that this is the point that runs through EVERY single experiment of that nature that reports or attemtps to create anomolus results. All they have to do..is stay the hell away from solidus and use the liquidus state..or re-interpret their experiments with this point in mind..and the experiments will work as they desire......every....single...time.

I don't know if I can write it more plainly than that. :)
 
The following is a history of the world from the Egyptians to the beginning
of the First World War, " pasted together from real sentences written by
students on history exams in the U.S." (including the little-known and
rather discomforting suggestion that "Sir Francis Drake circumcised the
world with a 100-foot clipper")...

Student History

The inhabitants of Egypt were called mummies. They lived in the Sarah
Dessert and traveled by Camelot. The climate of the Sarah is such that the
inhabitants have to live elsewhere, so certain areas of the dessert are
cultivated by irritation. The Egyptians built the Pyramids in the
shape of a huge triangular cube. The Pyramids are a range of mountains between
France and Spain.

The Bible is full of interesting caricatures. In the first book of
the Bible, Guinesses, Adam and Eve were created from an apple tree. One of
their children, Cain, asked "Am I my brother's son?" God asked Abraham to
sacrifice Isaac on Mount Montezuma. Jacob, son of Isaac, stole his
brother's birthmark. Jacob was a patriarch who brought up his twelve sons
to be patriarchs, but they did not take to it. One of Jacob's sons,
Joseph, gave refuse to the Israelites.

Pharaoh forced the Hebrew slaves to make bread without straw. Moses
led them to the Red Sea, where they made unleavened bread, which is bread
made without any ingredients. Afterwards, Moses went up on Mount Cyanide
to get the ten commandments. David was a Hebrew king skilled at playing
the liar. He fought with the Philatelists, a race of people who lived in
Biblical times. Solomon, one of David's sons, had 500 wives and 500
porcupines.

Without the Greeks, we wouldn't have history. The Greeks invented
three kinds of columns - Corinthian, Doric and Ironic. They also had
myths. A myth is a female moth. One myth says that the mother of Achilles
dipped him in the River Stynx until he became intolerable. Achilles appears
in "The Illiad", by Homer. Homer also wrote the "Oddity", in which
Penelope was the last hardship that Ulysses endured on his journey.
Actually, Homer was not written by Homer but by another man of that name.

Socrates was a famous Greek teacher who went around giving people
advice. They killed him. Socrates died from an overdose of wedlock.

In the Olympic Games, Greeks ran races, jumped, hurled the biscuits,
and threw the java. The reward to the victor was a coral wreath. The
government of Athens was democratic because the people took the law into
their own hands. There were no wars in Greece, as the mountains were so
high that they couldn't climb over to see what their neighbors were doing.
When they fought the Parisians, the Greeks were outnumbered because the
Persians had more men.

Eventually, the Ramons conquered the Geeks. History call people
Romans because they never stayed in one place for very long. At Roman
banquets, the guests wore garlic in their hair. Julius Caesar extinguished
himself on the battlefields of Gaul. The Ides of March killed him because
they thought he was going to be made king. Nero was a cruel tyranny who
would torture his poor subjects by playing the fiddle to them.

Then came the Middle Ages. King Alfred conquered the Dames, King
Arthur lived in the Age of Shivery, King Harlod mustarded his troops before
the Battle of Hastings, Joan of Arc was cannonized by George Bernard Shaw,
and the victims of the Black Death grew boobs on their necks. Finally, the
Magna Carta provided that no free man should be hanged twice for the same
offense.

In midevil times most of the people were alliterate. The greatest
writer of the time was Chaucer, who wrote many poems and verse and also
wrote literature. Another tale tells of William Tell, who shot an arrow
through an apple while standing on his son's head.

The Renaissance was an age in which more individuals felt the value of
their human being. Martin Luther was nailed to the church door at
Wittenberg for selling papal indulgences. He died a horrible death, being
excommunicated by a bull. It was the painter Donatello's interest in the
female nude that made him the father of the Renaissance. It was an age of
great inventions and discoveries. Gutenberg invented the Bible. Sir Walter
Raleigh is a historical figure because he invented cigarettes. Another
important invention was the circulation of blood. Sir Francis Drake
circumcised the world with a 100-foot clipper.

The government of England was a limited mockery. Henry VIII found
walking difficult because he had an abbess on his knee. Queen Elizabeth
was the "Virgin Queen." As a queen she was a success. When Elizabeth
exposed herself before her troops, they all shouted "hurrah." Then her
navy went out and defeated the Spanish Armadillo.

During the Renaissance America began. Christopher Columbus was a
great navigator who discovered America while cursing about the Atlantic.
His ships were called the Nina, the Pinta, and the Santa Fe. Later the
Pilgrims crossed the Ocean, and the was called the Pilgrim's Progress.
When they landed at Plymouth Rock, they were greeted by Indians, who came
down the hill rolling their was hoops before them. The Indian squabs
carried porposies on their back. Many of the Indian heroes were killed,
along with their cabooses, which proved very fatal to them. The winter of
1620 was a hard one for the settlers. Many people died and many babies
were born. Captain John Smith was responsible for all this.

One of the causes of the Revolutionary Wars was the English put tacks
in their tea. Also, the colonists would send their parcels through the
post without stamps. During the War, Red Coats and Paul Revere was
throwing balls over stone walls. The dogs were barking and the peacocks
crowing. Finally, the colonists won the War and no longer had to pay for
taxis.

Delegates from the original thirteen states formed the Contented
Congress. Thomas Jefferson, a Virgin, and Benjamin Franklin were two
singers of the Declaration of Independence. Franklin had gone to Boston
carrying all his clothes in his pocket and a loaf of bread under each arm.
He invented electricity by rubbing cats backwards and declared "a horse
divided against itself cannot stand." Franklin died in 1790 and is still
dead.

George Washington married Martha Curtis and in due time became the
Father of Our Country. Them the Constitution of the United States was
adopted to secure domestic hostility. Under the Constitution the people
enjoyed the right to keep bare arms.

Abraham Lincoln became America's greatest Precedent. Lincoln's mother
died in infancy, and he was born in a log cabin which he built with his own
hands. When Lincoln was President, he wore only a tall silk hat. He said,
"In onion there is strength." Abraham Lincoln write the Gettysburg address
while traveling from Washington to Gettysburg on the back of an envelope.
He also signed the Emasculation Proclamation, and the Fourteenth Amendment
gave the ex-Negroes citizenship. But the Clue Clux Clan would torcher and
lynch the ex-Negroes and other innocent victims. On the night of April 14,
1865, Lincoln went to the theater and got shot in his seat by one of the
actors in a moving picture show. The believed assinator was John Wilkes
Booth, a supposed insane actor. This ruined Booth's career.

Meanwhile in Europe, the enlightenment was a reasonable time. Voltaire
invented electricity and also wrote a book called "Candy". Gravity was
invented by Isaac Walton. It is chiefly noticeable in the Autumn, when the
apples are falling off the trees.

Bach was the most famous composer in the world, and so was Handel.
Handel was half German, half Italian and half English. He was very large.
Bach died from 1750 to the present. Beethoven wrote music even though he
was deaf. He was so deaf he wrote loud music. He took long walks in the
forest even when everyone was calling for him. Beethoven expired in 1827
and later died for this.

France was in a very serious state. The French Revolution was
accomplished before it happened. The Marseillaise was the theme song of
the French Revolution, and it catapulted into Napoleon. During the
Napoleonic Wars, the crowned heads of Europe were trembling in their shoes.
Then the Spanish gorrilas came down from the hills and nipped at Napoleon's
flanks. Napoleon became ill with bladder problems and was very tense and
unrestrained. He wanted an heir to inherit his power, but since Josephine
was a baroness, she couldn't bear him any children.

The sun never set on the British Empire because the British Empire is
in the East and the sun sets in the West. Queen Victoria was the longest
queen. She sat on a thorn for 63 years. Her reclining years and finally
the end of her life were exemplatory of a great personality. Her death was
the final event which ended her reign.

The nineteenth century was a time of many great inventions and
thoughts. The invention of the steamboat caused a network of rivers to
spring up. Cyrus McCormick invented the McCormick Raper, which did the
work of a hundred men. Samuel Morse invented a code for telepathy. Louis
Pasteur discovered a cure for rabbis. Charles Darwin was a naturalist who
wrote the "Organ of the Species". Madman Curie discovered radium. And
Karl Marx became one of the Marx Brothers.

The First World War, caused by the assignation of the Arch-Duck by a
surf, ushered in a new error in the anals of human history.