Thorens outdoor plug-in Power Supply (AC/AC Adaptor) for TD 180-280-316-318-320-321 suited for Wall AC Power Plugs - various Advices and Questions

[tiefbassuebertr]

There are different wall wart AC/AC adaptor power supplies over the world according this service manual for TD316-318-320-321 and Phantasie: - go to
https://archives.doctsf.com/documents/afficher_document.php?num_doc=106001&num_fic=1
(on page 14)

discovered under
https://archives.doctsf.com/documents/index.php?num_serie=56&marque=1296

1) order code 4 150 083 (Euro 220V 50Hz)
2) order code 4 150 078 (Japan 95V, 50/60Hz)
3) order code 4 150 077 (CSA 120V, 60Hz - maybe a miss print - it must actually be "USA" for the United States - maybe not, if CSA stands for Canadian Standards Association - so I think)
4) order code 4 150 064 (UK 240V 50Hz)

Even on the genuine Thorens versions of these plug-in power supplies are not to read this Thorens order code (at least concerning the European versions) - but instead the Thorens order code this:
1) FRIWO (German Brand for power supplies) Type "FW6199", 16V~/160mA (actually it must be "Series FW6199", because under this series were many other voltages available)
2) BARTEC (also German Brand for power supplies) Typ "A7-1231-1508", 16V~/160mA
All this versions for 220V~ input.

Because a friend of me want to have no cheap copies from China and no SMPS version as replacement I tried to take a closer look at this versions.
I discovered thereby that even the 50Hz transformer versions manufactured in Germany are sealed rather than screwed together (go to image 1-6). This has the disadvantage that if a thermal fuse blows or there are contact problems, there is no way to repair it without violating safety regulations.
By chance I noticed that there is also a screwed version from FRIWO (series FW6299 order code 4569100) with the same voltage, but with a higher maximum current delivery capacity, which is more of an advantage but in any case not a disadvantage (made for TIPTEL "LETTERA-F")

However, the different voltages in stopped mode (i. e. without load) must be taken into account on TP1 - see service manual for TD316-318-320-321 on page 9 and schematic diagram on page 10+12. As long the main capacitor C101 (1000/25) behind the rectifier unit GR101 was replace by a higher voltage (I recommend for C101 in general a 63V version include a bypass WIMA MKS between 0µ33 and 0µ56 resp. 330n-560n) there are no issues to expected.
OTOH - due the fact, that the input voltage of the FW6299 version is 230V~ (instead 220V~ of the FW6199 version) go to image 7-11.
the deviations in voltage to the mentioned values in the service manual are probably not too great.

I ordered one for him in a 16V~ version from screwed FW6299 series in used condition and he had good experiences with it (same version as in the attached images). Actually this plug-in power supply version is original made for this answering machine: Tiptel model "LETTERA-F" - go to
https://www.lipinski-telekom.de/fil...06-21_Anrufbeantworter_Tiptel_LETTERA_F_V.pdf
Due the fact, that there are offers of the complete set-up are cheaper, it is sometimes better to looking under this naming instead under FW6299 and 16V~.

Now I have check a 14V~ version (also series FW6299 order code 4569120, made for Tiptel 270 cord phone go to image No 12-15) and here the measured AC voltage values on a TD320:
AC-values at 233VAC mains voltage: 14,8V~ without load and 14,3V~ with running turntable motor on 33rpm and 45rpm
DC-values at TP1 (C101) : 0V without load and 17,9VDC with running turntable motor on 33rpm and 45rpm
The 0V without a rotating motor is caused by the fact that my TD320 model has a newer circuit board in use compared to the version in the service manual. In opposite to the older versions the speed selector switch is the on-off switch at the same time and interrupt the PCB trace between the AC pins and rectifier input.
Go to the images in post #16 under
Thorens TD 320 Power Supply
here on this forum.

P.S.: Under
https://aukro.cz/napajeci-adapter-pro-gramofony-thorens-pro-ject-16v-0-5a-7085015872
are mentioned this brands and models as compatible to this THORENS in wall AC power supply with Thorens order code 4 150 083 - OTOH there are to find partly different order codes in the service manuals:
PRO-JECT AD4120-16.0-500
PRO-JECT PRO-NT16/500
PRO-JECT 1 XPRESSION III COMFORT
PRO-JECT DEBUT III
PRO-JECT XTENSION 12 EVOLUTION
PRO-JECT XTENSION ORTOFON RS/AS
THORENS 4 150 083
THORENS FW6199
THORENS Z 4 150 083
THORENS TD 146 (50Hz: 4 150 060 FW5003 10V~ 300mA, 60Hz: 4 150 077, page 8 - page 24 show voltages on testpoints)
THORENS TD 147 (50Hz: 4 150 060 FW5003 10V~ 300mA, 60Hz: 4 150 077, page 8 - page 24 show voltages on testpoints)
https://archives.doctsf.com/documents/afficher_document.php?num_doc=105996&num_fic=1
TD145/160/165 (Series I) TD145/160/166 (MK-II ISOTRACK)
https://medias.audiofanzine.com/files/ve-thorens-145-166-service-480347.pdf
THORENS TD 166
THORENS TD 166 MK II
#https://medias.audiofanzine.com/files/ve-thorens-145-166-service-480347.pdf
THORENS TD 180 50Hz: Z4 150 083
https://archives.doctsf.com/documents/afficher_document.php?num_doc=105997&num_fic=1
THORENS TD 2001 50 Hz: 4 150 083
https://elektrotanya.com/thorens_td_2001.pdf/download.html
THORENS TD 2001 BC
THORENS TD 280
THORENS TD 280 MK II
THORENS TD 280 MK IV 50 Hz: 4 150 083
https://archives.doctsf.com/documents/afficher_document.php?num_doc=105999&num_fic=1
THORENS TD 295 MKIV
THORENS TD 3001
THORENS TD 3001 BC
THORENS TD 316
THORENS TD 316 MK III
THORENS TD 318
THORENS TD 318 MK III
THORENS TD 320
https://archives.doctsf.com/documents/afficher_document.php?num_doc=106001&num_fic=1
http://thorens-info.de/html/federung.html
THORENS TD 320 MK II
THORENS TD 321
THORENS TD 321 MK II
THORENS TD 325
THORENS TD 520 50 Hz: 4 150 084 (page 8 serv.man)
THORENS TD 520 MK II 50 Hz: 4 150 084 (page 8 serv.man)
THORENS TD 521 50 Hz: 4 150 084 (page 8 serv.man)
https://archives.doctsf.com/documents/afficher_document.php?num_doc=106002&num_fic=1

Under
http://thorens-info.de/html/seiten-ubersicht.html
you will find a good model overview (line up) of the whole Thorens record player range.
But I am looking for an overview of all motor control PCB's and their versions.

I don't understand, why for the TD146+TD147 the power supply sticker of FW5003 show only 10V~ although the service manual mentioned higher voltage values (Thorens order code 4 150 060) - check out the attached images No 16-19 and this images under
http://www.hifi-forum.de/viewthread-26-17011.html#11 (TD147 don't rotate sometimes)

 

[stratokaster83]

The Thorens power adapter is simply an external transformer. There is nothing else inside the box (maybe a thermal fuse). It outputs AC, not DC.

Chinese AC-AC wall-warts also have nothing except a transformer inside. There could be no SMPS inside an AC-AC adapter.

 

[tiefbassuebertr]

This I know (read the head line).

 

[ejp]

Outdoor? Do you mean outboard?

 

[tiefbassuebertr]

Outdoor means an external unit - both outboard (i. e. not on the printed circuit board for motor control unit) and and outside the turntable cabinet resp. record player plinth.

 

[tiefbassuebertr]

I don't understand, why for the TD146+TD147 the power supply sticker of FW5003 show only 10V~ although the service manual mentioned higher voltage values (Thorens order code 4 150 060) - check out the attached images No 16-19 and this images under
http://www.hifi-forum.de/viewthread-26-17011.html#11 (TD147 don't rotate sometimes)

According the service manual for the models TD104 and TD105 under
https://www.kevinchant.com/uploads/7/1/0/8/7108231/thorens_td104_105_service.pdf
the 10V~ on the plug-in transformer sticker refers to the maximum possible load of 300 mA - see page 15, 9.a)
Without any load, i.e., without current flow, this value is 20V~, which is twice as much. This is confusing.

 

[ejp]

Outdoor means an external unit

No it doesn’t. It means outside, and needs special connectors. You do mean ‘outboard’.

 

[tiefbassuebertr]

Under
https://www.baader-planetarium.com/...r-telescope-power-switching-power-supply.html
and
https://www.vbled.eu/en/outdoor-pow...v-ac-12w-ip44?category=aussen-steckernetzteil
the term "outdoor" was used (more often to find) and under
https://gearspace.com/board/so-much...8725-how-do-you-power-your-outboard-gear.html
the term "outboard" (the opposite term of "on-board")
But always keep in mind: my English is not good, and certainly not the colloquial terms of Australian and New Zealand English.

 

[tiefbassuebertr]

I don't understand, why for the TD146+TD147 the power supply sticker of FW5003 show only 10V~ although the service manual mentioned higher voltage values (Thorens order code 4 150 060) - check out the attached images No 16-19 and this images under
http://www.hifi-forum.de/viewthread-26-17011.html#11 (TD147 don't rotate sometimes)

This value of 10V~ refers to the maximum possible current that can this transformer provide (according to the sticker 300mA - go to last image #1).
Without load the voltage is 20V~ and with rotated turntable motor load both according service manual and real live 15V~.
It's not just me who finds this confusing.