I posted something with a message concerning design philosophy of old tube amps with regards to the output tube drivers.
Your comment instead is without any regard to the initial theme but a confrontation with other forum members. That speaks for itself, you only judge yourself with the words you wrote. My comments were all concerning the quality of the presented circuit but your comment is a personal insult of other members. And thats what you confound. Your big ego is identified with a circuit, a schemo presented. You cannot see the reality that its only a circuit that I criticized. You wear stained sun glasses that cannot see the truth but only see what your ego will see. Poor fellow.
Go and look where you can find victims in the real world, but for that, your too cowardish. You only can insult others in the anonymous net.
Your comment instead is without any regard to the initial theme but a confrontation with other forum members. That speaks for itself, you only judge yourself with the words you wrote. My comments were all concerning the quality of the presented circuit but your comment is a personal insult of other members. And thats what you confound. Your big ego is identified with a circuit, a schemo presented. You cannot see the reality that its only a circuit that I criticized. You wear stained sun glasses that cannot see the truth but only see what your ego will see. Poor fellow.
Go and look where you can find victims in the real world, but for that, your too cowardish. You only can insult others in the anonymous net.
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The Op of the thread in the very first post mentioned that the name of the thread was already a bit pretentious and without any other compromise regarding the name, yet you called him lots of things about his design, dont know who is the "identified" here if you havent a better thing to do, why you didnt presented a diagram or the simplest contribution like a photo or a relevant info regarding your newly come "philosophy"?
This place is used to improve DIY (Do it Yourself) audio and audio designing abilities, sorry but I didnt know that telling: "mediocre or awfull or worst ever" you can improve something perhaps thats how you learned 😉
This place is used to improve DIY (Do it Yourself) audio and audio designing abilities, sorry but I didnt know that telling: "mediocre or awfull or worst ever" you can improve something perhaps thats how you learned 😉
No , he ( tubelectron ) always choose this name for his projects , Ultimate 6080 OTL too , and he personally attacks anyone who criticizes his circuits and designs , he done the same thing in the other thread ( Ultimate 6080 OTL ) .
Dimitris AR,
You exaggerate.
In the 6080 OTL thread you are the only one with critics, and you discussed mainly with Ketje.
When someone presents a design/circuit on a forum and calling it "Ultimate", one can expect that members take a look to see what is "ultimate".
And when apparently there is nothing worth calling the design "ultimate", you can expect critics.
Some members came up with "soft" critics and suggestions for improvement; others (me one of them) were a bit rude calling the 12AX7 SRPP driver stage weak and a limitation to drive a 300B well.
TO clearly is not able to cope with critics and left.
So be it.
You exaggerate.
In the 6080 OTL thread you are the only one with critics, and you discussed mainly with Ketje.
When someone presents a design/circuit on a forum and calling it "Ultimate", one can expect that members take a look to see what is "ultimate".
And when apparently there is nothing worth calling the design "ultimate", you can expect critics.
Some members came up with "soft" critics and suggestions for improvement; others (me one of them) were a bit rude calling the 12AX7 SRPP driver stage weak and a limitation to drive a 300B well.
TO clearly is not able to cope with critics and left.
So be it.
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I don't exaggerate at all , I didn't saw any thing special in that circuit too .
Ι said my opinion on Katje's circuit and show him a simpler way to add some NFB and in the end he became aggresive .
Ι said my opinion on Katje's circuit and show him a simpler way to add some NFB and in the end he became aggresive .
One man's odd looking stone gets "cut up" by another man who makes it into
a beautiful diamond.
Oh, how many of you actually read the original post?
Anybody?
Now read it again, if you care to.
"The ULTIMATE 300B
Well, I know that the name is somewhat pretentious... No importance.
I have chosen this name just because it is the last version of my serie of prototypes that I experimented with VT25/10Y, 50, 2A3 and ultimately 300B. It was on Feb. 6th. 2008... But the final model is now on construction... Since a few days.."
a beautiful diamond.
Oh, how many of you actually read the original post?
Anybody?
Now read it again, if you care to.
"The ULTIMATE 300B
Well, I know that the name is somewhat pretentious... No importance.
I have chosen this name just because it is the last version of my serie of prototypes that I experimented with VT25/10Y, 50, 2A3 and ultimately 300B. It was on Feb. 6th. 2008... But the final model is now on construction... Since a few days.."
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But "ultimately 300B" is a whole other meaning as the term "The ultimate 300B (Amp)".
The first suggests that you come at last to choose this tube type for an amp and thats fully OK with me. But for an ultimate 300B amp it has to be the top of the crowd and that design should be at least a design extraordinaire for especially this tube.
For ex, when I would decide to build an amp around this tube, every other tube should be a WE tube in the amp. For the simple reason that there is a familiarity of sound in all WE tubes. And that could transport and let shine the sound of WE for the best when building it all with WE tubes throughout. No influence of other tubes genes sound. Maybe I did it some day, but the price is real prohibitive for a top notch 300B amp. It could be build two others and maybe more interesting designs around a tube type for the same price.
The bad thing is (as shown in this design) that most builders have no clue how to treat the tube right and to design without flaws. Some simply copycat the old WE designs with Boutique parts, others go the El Cheapo route just to state "I build a 300B amp, too and because I build it, its damn good". Most often ist not. Sad, but true. Because this tube is capable to do some things in audio which never can be heard united and in summary in another tube.
The first suggests that you come at last to choose this tube type for an amp and thats fully OK with me. But for an ultimate 300B amp it has to be the top of the crowd and that design should be at least a design extraordinaire for especially this tube.
For ex, when I would decide to build an amp around this tube, every other tube should be a WE tube in the amp. For the simple reason that there is a familiarity of sound in all WE tubes. And that could transport and let shine the sound of WE for the best when building it all with WE tubes throughout. No influence of other tubes genes sound. Maybe I did it some day, but the price is real prohibitive for a top notch 300B amp. It could be build two others and maybe more interesting designs around a tube type for the same price.
The bad thing is (as shown in this design) that most builders have no clue how to treat the tube right and to design without flaws. Some simply copycat the old WE designs with Boutique parts, others go the El Cheapo route just to state "I build a 300B amp, too and because I build it, its damn good". Most often ist not. Sad, but true. Because this tube is capable to do some things in audio which never can be heard united and in summary in another tube.
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Meanings, meanings.
Read into a word what you like.
What does "good sounding amplifier" mean?
Does it mean there is no sound from the power transformer, choke, output transformer, and capacitors (the amp is silent)?
Does it mean the amplifier as used in a complete playback system, and the sound from the loudspeakers sounds good?
The amp sounds smooth.
The high end is extended.
The bass is superb.
Words fail.
And few of us were there when the first Western Electric movie playback system was debuted in a movie theatre.
Perhaps Al Jolson heard it.
Get an amplifier, and listen to it in the same system and recordings as the person who likes it.
An amplifier is one thing. A complete system consists of musical performer(s), instruments, microphone, recorder, playback, amplifier, loudspeaker, and room.
Read into a word what you like.
What does "good sounding amplifier" mean?
Does it mean there is no sound from the power transformer, choke, output transformer, and capacitors (the amp is silent)?
Does it mean the amplifier as used in a complete playback system, and the sound from the loudspeakers sounds good?
The amp sounds smooth.
The high end is extended.
The bass is superb.
Words fail.
And few of us were there when the first Western Electric movie playback system was debuted in a movie theatre.
Perhaps Al Jolson heard it.
Get an amplifier, and listen to it in the same system and recordings as the person who likes it.
An amplifier is one thing. A complete system consists of musical performer(s), instruments, microphone, recorder, playback, amplifier, loudspeaker, and room.
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@maton00 and @6A3sUMMER :
Thanks for taking again my defence 🙂
It's useless to front or discuss with those kind of ugly and jealous idiophiles.
I put them in my foe / ignore list, and voilà, that's all they gained
. Too bad for them. 🙄
But of course, they all have taken a copy of my pictures and schematic, don't they ? By the way, they probably can't do better... 😀
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Thanks for taking again my defence 🙂
It's useless to front or discuss with those kind of ugly and jealous idiophiles.
I put them in my foe / ignore list, and voilà, that's all they gained
. Too bad for them. 🙄But of course, they all have taken a copy of my pictures and schematic, don't they ? By the way, they probably can't do better... 😀
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@maton00 and @6A3sUMMER :
Thanks for taking again my defence 🙂
It's useless to front or discuss with those kind of ugly and jealous idiophiles.
I put them in my foe / ignore list, and voilà, that's all they gained
But of course, they all have taken a copy of my pictures and schematic, don't they ? By the way, they probably can't do better... 😀
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If you take criticism personal and only negative, than you make a mistake.
Criticism of circuits and schematics can help much to improve.
Maybe a public audio forum is the wrong place for guys like you.
You prefer to take pros and congrats, better go to Instagram and celebrate your ultimate amp there.
In general, most people are very proud of every own build but to manage to build something doesn't necessarily mean its excellent. Its just a finished project, on which level of refinement it may be.
I finished many projects, maybe they are bad for others, I just don't care.
Because they have to please only one owner, and thats me. Strictly personel feelings must be fulfilled. And for that they are being handmade and tailored for personal fit.
I never collect pics of mediocre or bad amp designs. Simply because it won't drive me in striving to improve.
And you can put me on the ignore list, this and your words just point to a weak character of yours that isn't able to accept criticism in general.
So better switch to Facebook or Insta where you can build your own tube cult fan forum.
Words fail to describe emotions completely, thats correct.
A real excellent WE 300B amp is nowadays unfortunately only for the rich and wealthy people. Western Electric today is a game of Kings with very deep pockets and a profound knowledge in audio history and improvements in them. A huge amount of knowledge of components, parts and circuits and their specific sound must be a base of engineering this gear.
As most DIY fail on one or multiple of the points I made, most projects remain unable to reach the goal. They get stuck in the middle or, more worse, stuck right at the beginning from fatal decisions on how to build a tube amp in a perfect fashion.
We should take this example shown here for serious.
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Since you started to show again this declamation just repeats over and over you just make your hard to swallow comments until you destroy someones post or worse, dont know why you keep showing to then keep whining that same sad speech, perhaps you know more than us but your declamatory doesnt reflect what you keep repeting, didnt know that audio and design was all about some ones story and its knowledge, this is a place where people reunite to talk experiences not to dennigrate or make awful comments, If you are so educated with a so big knowledge why dont you make yourself a thread regarding your philosophy and your designs and keep us mere simple mortals bath here in mud. Then you can have your ego and time occupied with people that follow your same big time experiences and negativity 😉
Yes, @gideon1990 🙂 - for the fun, if you want some more pics about my audio releases, just have a look there 😉 : GUILHEM Amplification - Site de guilhemamplification !
"Les cons, ca ose tout, c'est meme a ca qu'on les reconnait", cult rply by Lino Ventura, written by Michel Audiart - in Les Tontons Flingueurs - 1963.
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I let you translate, @maton00... 😀😀😀😉
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now is clear why you use 12ax7 you are a guitar boy ...
I'm too but 12xx7 is from different age and tech respect a dht triode 😉
I'm too but 12xx7 is from different age and tech respect a dht triode 😉
From Bob Crites - Crites Audio / Klipsch Service Station 😀 :
Among all this, I hope that member @kmtang has found the informations he asked for ! 🙄😉
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Among all this, I hope that member @kmtang has found the informations he asked for ! 🙄😉
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