but not solved. In opposite: it gets worse.
There is some difference between advetisment, marked as such - and "members" or moderators, who do nothing but selling: their philosophie, their truth, their kits and products.
Brian does sell his kits pretty inoffensive, wereas the well know moderators has days he does not much else but bumping his sales - threads.
Some asian "members" seem to frequent this board for nothing but doing sales and adverstiment theads.
I want remark, those members who are professional in the audio business - and not newcomers to the "group buy business" do not try to sell anything, they mostly help and discuss on this board, what should be it purpose. Also they are much more tolerant than some fetishist wannabe audio engineers here...
Copyright can't protect anything here, patent can, but there is nothing to be patented here, and even if there is, do you assume anyone should run to the Patent Office before shares his findings at this place?peranders said:
What the difference does it make?
Pedja
Quote from an another thread
digi01, did want to try and it was fine to you... then.Pedja said:Ahem, err… uhm...This spells new layout? It might not be clear instantaneously, but when it comes to solve a few another issues, it might appear with this idea the designing is at the start again. If someone else wants to try, it is fine with me, but at this moment I do not have a time to check it.
Just put the link to that post so the people can know what about it is.
PS: Don't make me angry! My supper is waiting for me and if I don't digest it well, anything may happen...
PS: Don't make me angry! My supper is waiting for me and if I don't digest it well, anything may happen...
till: Easy now, think about your blood pressure 😉
You keep making blurry referrals to some members of the community, may i ask who exactly is:
the group buy moderator?
fetishist wannabe audio engineer?
Brian?
The asian members, who are here only to advertise?
I am here almost every day for a couple of years, and i don't have a clue who you are talking about..
🙂 Lars
You keep making blurry referrals to some members of the community, may i ask who exactly is:
the group buy moderator?
fetishist wannabe audio engineer?
Brian?
The asian members, who are here only to advertise?
I am here almost every day for a couple of years, and i don't have a clue who you are talking about..
🙂 Lars
carlosfm said:
So...
You work hard, try it, listen, report, post schematics.
Someone else sells it, without a single e-mail asking for permission or whatever.
Is this ok?
Anarchy?
So if he had asked permission and said thanks this would be fine?
I still dont think he is "selling" it until there is profit. I see it as he is sharing in a way that more people can access it and I think thats great.
Why put your reports, schematics and work online if you dont want it to be used by other people?
If I did alot of work, someone did a group buy from my design and and it was this popular I would be stoked but I see am maybe on my own here🙂
Lars Clausen said:
I didn't really think Pedja was planning that.
It seems like "here is my research, I am sharing it with you people BUT I dont want to share it too much"
Pedja said:
So would you care to put a number as the limit of group buy PCBs that original design could have been inspired from some of your willingly shared knowledge?
EDIT: Pedja, I mean no disrespect and have great admiration for your work 😉 I just would like to hear more info on yours and others oppinion on this important subject.
People here share of their free will and I can't imagine that everyone here want credit for their ideas. I'll guess you have shared here because you want people to use your ideas?Pedja said:
It is the very nature of the Internet that everything appears to be free. It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking that there actually is such a thing as a free lunch when you are online.
As I understand it, what is going on here is somebody taking an idea, no, more than an idea, from somebody and then reproducing it without permission.
Now, you might argue that is OK, especially if it is not for profit motives. But think a bit further. If people feel that they are contributing to forums like this one and others are taking advantage, they simply won't post here anymore and we will all be worse off.
So as I see it, this is more about respect than commercial gain or loss.
I also see that it is a difficult problem. The Internet has grown up with a culture of self-policing. This has worked fairly well but inevitably it is prone to the sort of problem that has arisen here.
It's one thing to copy something for personal use but I would (and do) always ask permission before I make something that I taken from the public domain available to others. I see that as no more than the sort of respect that I would like myself.
As I understand it, what is going on here is somebody taking an idea, no, more than an idea, from somebody and then reproducing it without permission.
Now, you might argue that is OK, especially if it is not for profit motives. But think a bit further. If people feel that they are contributing to forums like this one and others are taking advantage, they simply won't post here anymore and we will all be worse off.
So as I see it, this is more about respect than commercial gain or loss.
I also see that it is a difficult problem. The Internet has grown up with a culture of self-policing. This has worked fairly well but inevitably it is prone to the sort of problem that has arisen here.
It's one thing to copy something for personal use but I would (and do) always ask permission before I make something that I taken from the public domain available to others. I see that as no more than the sort of respect that I would like myself.
Pedja, everyone knows the great work you do for the diy audio community worldwide. You, Thorsten, Joe R to name just a few.
Your name is synonymous with certain aspects of the GC now, and not just on this forum. I don't think there is any real problem with what Digi is doing as it is just the natural progression of events of any organization, society or community, particularly an online one.
Just my thoughts, though I can understand your point of view also..🙄
Your name is synonymous with certain aspects of the GC now, and not just on this forum. I don't think there is any real problem with what Digi is doing as it is just the natural progression of events of any organization, society or community, particularly an online one.
Just my thoughts, though I can understand your point of view also..🙄
Nuuk: You attitude is very respect worthy!
But this is hardly a case where someone has published a great idea, and somebody else is making a huge profit out of it. Which could actually be said for some of the world's biggest companies. But here is ... a storm in a cup.
Like maxw said before, if you publish anything in here, you must consider the possibility that someone is going to produce a pcb for it. In this case for 4$ ea. And when you consider the fact like Carlosfm said before, the schematic is to be found in the datasheet, and there is only 7 parts in the schematic all together, i don't really see the problem. (In this case). For me the problem is more that pedja i polluting the nice forum with a slightly negative attitude ;-)
But this is hardly a case where someone has published a great idea, and somebody else is making a huge profit out of it. Which could actually be said for some of the world's biggest companies. But here is ... a storm in a cup.
Like maxw said before, if you publish anything in here, you must consider the possibility that someone is going to produce a pcb for it. In this case for 4$ ea. And when you consider the fact like Carlosfm said before, the schematic is to be found in the datasheet, and there is only 7 parts in the schematic all together, i don't really see the problem. (In this case). For me the problem is more that pedja i polluting the nice forum with a slightly negative attitude ;-)
Digi01 is offering a great service by creating PCBs of public designs and selling them for cheap. He can't be making a ton of money from these, but if he is, more power to him. Nobody is getting rich here.
Further, there is nothing really original in any of these circuits. You make it sound like carlosfm invented the regulated power supply and digi01 stole it to make money.
Further, there is nothing really original in any of these circuits. You make it sound like carlosfm invented the regulated power supply and digi01 stole it to make money.
paulb: right on!
But please note Carlosfm is not involved in any grumpyness here ..
(+respect to him)
But please note Carlosfm is not involved in any grumpyness here ..
(+respect to him)
Nothing that digi01 works wasn't addressed in that post, that post was about the idea to change some things in the layout and for which I've warned would demand too many other changes.peranders said:
But speaking about that thread, you just should turn another page (assuming you are using forum's 10 threads per 1 page default) and look at the first post. You'll find there what I was thinking about the works like digi01's then.
Pedja
maxw said:"marketing" implies there is money to be made but if we assume Digi is not making any money until we here otherwise from him, then I dont get it
Yes, he works for a humanitarian cause.
How can you be so innocent?
Lars Clausen said:
Lars, you posted the schematics of LC-Audio clocks on the Digital forum.
For DIY/personal use of course.
Now suppose that a member makes boards and sells hundreds (if not thousands) of them.
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