The M2 Output Stage in Class A/B, and maybe a Power WHAMMY?

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The source resistors are necessary because this Toshiba pair is not true complementary.
Unlike the holy 2SJ1530/2SJ201.
The source resistor was chosen to enable optimal harmonic cancellations.

To get rid of the little bit of ringing, try increasing the closed loop gain.
Alternatively, try some bandwidth limiting in the feedback path.
Or a low pass filter of say 100kHz at the input.
Exactly which you like best, you have to try.


Cheers,
Patrick
 
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So, my M2OPS is currently rocking the classic look of M2. Like, straight-up original M2 with 0R47 source resistors, no global feedback hocus-pocus. Next up, I'm going to try mixing things up with some global negative feedback (a bit of a sonic experiment).

But before we dive into the land of 'tamed audio', let's just appreciate the raw, unfiltered sound my ears are currently enjoying.

And the first impressions are like, 'Is this the same system?' It's like someone finally cleaned the audio windows! The resolution? Let's just say my music is now in very high-definition👌

Of course, I'm fully aware this could be the 'new toy' effect. We'll see if this audio party keeps going, or if it's just a one-night stand.
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@Studley: No, this is my first M2 experience, so I can't made any comparison.

@EUVL: The measured DF is 27 at 8R, so the output impedance is about 0R3. Really, that is not to high, but seems enough for my speakers now. They have a very strange impedance curve going down to 3R at 150 Hz.
I promise to try some global feedback in the future😎
 
Opamp compare

I finally close this year with experiences of mine with opamp rolling on different M2OPS with different output MOSFETS which I tried.

These findings are supjective and include no overall „truth“ ….

Pre amp is always Wayne with Toshiba´s as output BJT Transistors…….


M2OPS with curve traced Toshibas from EUVL(XEN audio-Patrick)​


With the combo Opa828 the system have a lot of deep low end bass. Bass sound like a tsunami and rolling over the floor to the listener…..impressive…but missing upper bass sometimes.

Also this combination (Toshiba and opa828) has a great separation in the far back and sounds dark and lay back and slitghtly mid accentuated.


A change to opa1611 has not so much resolution in the highs and sounds a bit faster. Maceo Parkers-childrens world remastered give not better sax truth in the mids.


OPA1655—one a my very good alternatives---more detection of all actors with a very good bass in the low end and more upper bass…..ultra high Resolution is less as opa28.


LT1793 – highs very fine like opa828 but not so „warm“…mid slightly forewarding as opa828 when loud.-more bass punch…funny guy!


Opa827 – very close to opa828 and he loves to play mid´s, mids not so in front as 828


Opa1641- OK but not very impressive –stage ist too close together and mix it up while it gets complex in sound mix and action –„too cool and lovelyness“


TL071CP -OK and much better as opa1641—soundstage smaller, less low end, high´s less resolution as top competitors.


OPA627BP -yes I got 4 of them, bought 2014…..€18 each—today lot more….

beyond any doubt ……the best one….super high resolution, more detection of actors and nothing is accentuated….



M2OPS with Fairchilds (FQA10N80/FQA9P25)​

Comparing with the output Toshiba MOSFETS Fairchild have (in my world) always more airiness in the highs and more upper bass as the Toshibas and slightly sounds faster or say with more dynamic. Not so lay back and dark in the far far back as Toshiba´s.

So the upper mentioned sound charateristics are the same as above but lets point out some differences in detail…..


Opa1655 compared with opa828

e.g. Marceo Parkers-children´s world –I like the mids more with 1655 more „orange-gold“ feeling with the saxo.—bass less attack softer highs.

Opa1611 and LT1793 close together—LT1793 mid´s are close to 1655 but soundstage is smaller..1611 always layback

Opa1641 –soundstage very small, detection difficult…..OK

TL071CP -better as 1641 more space as 1641----in general less resolution in the mids….

Opa827- top end seems louder as 1655 but with more resolution


OPA445AP (+-45V guy)---next real M2OPS class A/B project!!

Very good detection, thinner bass in very low end, but very controlled (more defined), which is shown very impressive in George Bensons´s- Rainy night in Georgia. Nothing is lost in the bass low end mudd here.

I think in generell pre amps could have more influence in sound..

wish you all the best for 2025
Hello

I have my M2 OPS with Thosibas too and i can agree to the test of Harry for changing the opamps.

yes the 828 827 are very closed together. 828 is reall soo smart and smooth.
ada4637 and Ada 4627 are really in the same class as the OPA82x. you can change a little bit the sound you like more.
less deeper bass (828) then use ADA4637/ ada4627 you get morestiffer bass and clearer highs.

opa 1641 doesn´t work, i dont know strange sound cames out..
1655 is really a ver ynice and cheap opamp.

suprise is really the OPA445AP -- should be use in A/B Whammy amp.

kre
Chris