I think there was only one person seriously stating that... Mr Goop...
He was fun, though...
an advance signal is only needed IF you have a computer driven lathe, which many smaller shops do not have. Then you are limited to around 23 min per side to keep the lands apart. Conservative, but effective. So, no delay line needed.
Most cuts coming into the cutters I know are indeed digital so it doesn't matter anyway.
Cheers
Alan
Most cuts coming into the cutters I know are indeed digital so it doesn't matter anyway.
Cheers
Alan
When did I ever claim to have super hearing? Never!
I explicitly claim to have no better than normal hearing, worse than normal actually. It is't about the ears. Its about noticing little things that most people seem to automatically ignore. Nothing super about it in the least. You could do it too with some practice, but you are too lazy to practice.
Actually before digital was an option there were lathe computers that worked with a preview head that was approx 1/4 (?) turn ahead. A simple mechanical thing to mount a head with some guides to make it work. You then kick the leadscrew a little extra for the loud passages. Some operators could do a good job manually just from knowing the music.
Theres many ways for tape to degrade. Usually hi freqs first. Print thru only took a couple of days. Storing tails out delayed it so it was under the music instead of a very audible pre echo. And a proper master would be leadered ( non mag noisless tape spliced in right before and after the music ). This will remove any thing pre the music.
From:http://www.richardhess.com/tape/history/HESS_Tape_Degradation_ARSC_Journal_39-2.pdf
As the author continues his dialogue with chemists and chemical engineers he is repeat- edly told:
• Tapes are not improving with age
• There will never be a simple test kit for tape degradation classification
• The specific degradations are type- and may be batch-specific
• Tapes which are degrading now cannot be repaired and will continue to
degrade
• A tape should be transferred before degradation interferes with playback
• Anything that is important should be copied...now
When you constantly claim to hear the differance in DACs, and almost all other hardware that measure so closely, with no proof, its a claim of super hearing.
30 years of recording, editing and mixing, 8 hours a day ( except for some 14 hour mix days) in a professional studio that had 15 other pro engineers working full time and I havent learnt to listen. The biggest thing you have going is your ego, not a good thing.
Actually its a testament to the sophistication of our acoustic processing. We all have the same acoustics hitting our ears but the acoustic processing block pulls the important stuff and ignores the rest. Looking at how hard basic voice recognition is its amazing we can understand words let alone figure out who is talking etc. A whole lot of unnecessary details need to be filtered to get there.
I think it helps explain why audio is not a simple acoustic pressure vs. time thing. Humans process a lot of into. The masks we are all wearing will also impact communications since some come from subtle facial expressions we all do unconsciously.
Now you are talking. Okay, you did that and you probably notice little things most people don't, isn't that right? I thought so, Mr. Super Hearing.
Only thing that's different about noticing recording defects or dac defects are the exact details to learn how to recognize.
When you learned recording, did you have to be coached to learn to hear every little thing, or could you find some of them for yourself? If you could do it yourself then, you can do it again now with dacs if you try. If you needed a teacher to guide you through learning to hear everything before, then you will probably need the same again for dacs. How one learns tends to be an individual thing.
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I am certainly glad that Markw4 speaks for all of us, as he does not at present time regularly listen to all analog, like I do, as his reference material. People, like me, still find digital, un-involving, compared to the best all analog, and we tend to not even bother with digital sources if we can avoid them. But digital is getting better, and audio manufacturers who keep up with what is being found to be important, mostly through subjective evaluation, will make digital as good as the best direct disc vinyl, or the very best analog master tapes, but it might not be there for the average music listener, if they are happy enough with their digital today. The problems that were there 40 years ago, have been reduced. For example, higher sampling rates and bits, like 24-96K, was a future prediction 40 years ago, and it is here, BUT it alone is not enough! Markw4 and others are finding what else really matters for those who just cannot stand digital the way it is today, like , but I am hopeful, through an investment in my digital sources, I will find it satisfactory for hi end listening in future.
One problem with modern vinyl from older analog tape sources is the lazy use of a digital delay line, instead of an extended tape path that was used exclusively in the past. It is unfortunate, just like some SACD's are made from CD masters, but we usually sort them out according to our subjective reaction to these individual sources, or sometimes we can easily measure the differences with a spectrum analysis and noting the effective bandwidth on the source. For those of you who can tell the difference, we have a ways to go.
One problem with modern vinyl from older analog tape sources is the lazy use of a digital delay line, instead of an extended tape path that was used exclusively in the past. It is unfortunate, just like some SACD's are made from CD masters, but we usually sort them out according to our subjective reaction to these individual sources, or sometimes we can easily measure the differences with a spectrum analysis and noting the effective bandwidth on the source. For those of you who can tell the difference, we have a ways to go.
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That's why I only listen to music recorded with condenser microphones directly to A>Ds, and play the files back on electrostatic speakers or headphones...hey, what a great marketing plan...
Cheers!
Howie
As someone who specialized on and worked with magnetic recording for a living for decades, I emphatically agree with the above. Transfer now for the future!! (Thanks to Devo...)
Howie
I may have to go that way. Just add a new bicycle for towing!
Or this. Same problem of where to park the damned thing. I'd need to build a new shed just to put it in! I need a garage.
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