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I don't think that's crazier than hoarding perishables. I went to Walmart at 9:45PM to avoid the crowds. MILK was all gone. We are happy when milk lasts 3 weeks. Is there some trick to preserve milk I never learned?

Parmalat I assume is available in Canada? Unopened it keeps for six months without refrigeration, not the best tasting milk I have tasted, but generally fine and easy to get used to.
 
Not a controlled experiment but I operate our O3 generator 20min in morning and 20 min evening.
The house is aprox 1900 sq ft , we are safe in the low O3 environment. It's barely noticeable.
If anyone contracts or is suspected, then increasing generator to 30min three times daily.
The idea is to intake respiratory O3 gas in trace low ppm. One resident is on chemo.
That's is my plan, not recommending or suggesting anyone else attempt.
 
email from a brother----

Well, I work in a supermarket. It has been war for the last week.
We do $1 mil/week in sales. Last week we did $1.5 mil. at $3/item, how many more items did we handle?
No wonder the warehouse is 48 hours behind on orders. It serves 150 stores. We got a Friday shipment today
{Sunday} 4 AM, and our supply chain is way better than Costco or Walmart's.

No more than 250 persons are allowed to gather in NJ by gov't suggestion. Shoprite has had 300+ shoppers every minute since Thursday morning.
Customers all seem to need to be 24 inches away to ask about sanitizer, alcohol, TP, flour, chicken (we had none Saturday) and water (I think we sold 5 trailers of water this week-in winter!)
I wash hands about every 30 minutes all day.
If the shoppers get satiated, we might catch up by Friday or so. Or maybe the whole staff will catch a fever.

Got up at 5:30am to got break freight out of a truck and fill up paste sauce, can tomatoes, diapers. and Lysol spray.
I come home and lie down for an hour each day, then walk doggy.
Some fun.
 
It's the same I believe in many countries. The brother is a hero when you see the low education of some people : Coronavirus '''emergency'''? Oregon police ask people to stop calling 911 because they ran out of toilet paper | Fox News

That's funny. I was just telling the wife that people are going to start calling 911 because they are all out of TP.😀

Did Darwin missed something about sapiens ? 🙁

It's the other way round.😉

jeff
 
Just want to say: don't assume that all Western countries will have a better response than China, and if the numbers indicate that, that it just means they're lies. For one, China has a huge advantage because of BOTH their autocratic rule AND cultural values around collective good. Second, the WHO numbers about China (at least in the published reports) are investigated, not simply passed on.




This is complete and utter nonsense. China's autocracy is what has gotten us here in the first place. You only need to compare their initial response and the outcome with that of Taiwan. In brief the disease originated in early December, China reported a "pneumonia-like" disease to the WHO on the 31st of Dec and they continued to sit on their hands until well into January; during that time denying and downplaying the severity of the disease, censoring public discourse and throwing doctors into jail for "scaremongering" whilst millions of spooked residents of Wuhan to fled to other parts of the country.

The moment Taiwan got wind of the problem in December they took appropriate measures in a thoroughly non-autocratic and non-censorious way. The latter is the most important when contrasting to China's response; the public was actively encouraged to self-report over all news and social media platforms. As of 48 hours ago Taiwan had only 53 confirmed cases of COVID-19!

I could write a damn essay and post dozens of links, but that would be getting too political for here. The WHO has thoroughly trashed its reputation and legitimacy wrt to China over this episode and it doesn't have the capacity to independently investigate or do anything other than simply relay what the Chinese Communist Party tells it.
 
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Exactly.... Well said.
And the exact same thing happened when Tchernobyl exploded.
Even when people were milking "radioactive" milk from the reindeer in northern Sweeden and Norway, the russians kept denying, that anything had happened.

How long did the Iraneans deny having shot a passenger plane down??

Seems like, when there´s a chance of "losing face", most governments will go to extreeme lengths in their effords to cover it up.
 
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Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine suggested on CNN's "State of the Union" that an estimated 100,000 undiagnosed infections could already have happened in his state alone.
"We have got a lot of people walking around in Ohio who are positive who've not been tested. Some don't know it. Some may never know it," the Republican governor said.

Wow, I wonder if that's true. I'd like to know what his estimation is based on. I mean, he might be right but, that's a large number. By my calculations you'd require 100 people in Ohio being infected 2.5 months ago. So 100 people infected with COVID-19 in Ohio on January the 6th.

I really don't believe it. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that this is BS. I'd say this guy is in a state of panic and is clearly fearmongering.
 
Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine suggested on CNN's "State of the Union" that an estimated 100,000 undiagnosed infections could already have happened in his state alone.
"We have got a lot of people walking around in Ohio who are positive who've not been tested. Some don't know it. Some may never know it," the Republican governor said.

Wow, I wonder if that's true. I'd like to know what his estimation is based on. I mean, he might be right but, that's a large number. By my calculations you'd require 100 people in Ohio being infected 2.5 months ago. So 100 people infected with COVID-19 in Ohio on January the 6th.

I really don't believe it. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that this is BS. I'd say this guy is in a state of panic and is clearly fearmongering.


You're free to your own opinion, better safe than sorry IMO. No need for fear in this case.

By the way, IF your calculation is this:
Lets look at some numbers (and let me know if I've made mistakes)...
I'm going to make the following assumptions going forward.
a) virus will double every 7 days if left unchecked.
b) initial infection till death ~ 21 days.
Not perfect but should give us a rough guide...

Country Total cases Total deaths.
USA 2340 51
Canada 218 1

USA

51 is 2% of 2550. This means 3 weeks ago there were 2550 infections to be able to generate 51 deaths now.
3 weeks ago 2550 infections
2 weeks ago 5100 infections
1 week ago 10,200 infections
Now...20,400 infections.

Canada

1 is 2% of 50.
3 weeks ago 50 infections
2 weeks ago 100 infections
1 week ago 200 infections
Now 400 infections.

So, you're saying that there's a doubling of registered Corona infected every week.
So, you're saying that 1 sick person, is close enough to infect 1 more person, 1 time, in 1 day, in 1 week, every week. And that 1 person infected would somehow know exactly where and when he/she was infected, and the source of contamination so he/she can actually get tested.

And you're also saying that every person that is registered with the infection, has somehow been unable to be in contact with any other individuals, than the previously registered point of contamination, before being tested.

I am not disputing your numbers calculation, the numbers in isolation (pun unintentional) seem correct. I'm merely questioning the basis, wondering; could it possibly be, that anyone is in contact with several people in an hour/day/week/?
 
You're free to your own opinion, better safe than sorry IMO. No need for fear in this case.

By the way, IF your calculation is this:


So, you're saying that there's a doubling of registered Corona infected every week.
So, you're saying that 1 sick person, is close enough to infect 1 more person, 1 time, in 1 day, in 1 week, every week. And that 1 person infected would somehow know exactly where and when he/she was infected, and the source of contamination so he/she can actually get tested.

And you're also saying that every person that is registered with the infection, has somehow been unable to be in contact with any other individuals, than the previously registered point of contamination, before being tested.

I am not disputing your numbers calculation, the numbers in isolation (pun unintentional) seem correct. I'm merely questioning the basis, wondering; could it possibly be, that anyone is in contact with several people in an hour/day/week/?

Truthfully I'm just using a formula developed by Neil Ferguson. Here's a little blurb about him from Wikipedia.

[wiki=Neil Morris Ferguson OBE FMedSci (born 1968) is a British epidemiologist. He is a professor of mathematical biology, who specialises in the epidemiology of infectious disease spread in humans and animals. He is the director of the Abdul Latif Jameel Institute for Disease and Emergency Analytics (J-IDEA), head of the Department of Infectious Disease Epidemiology in the School of Public Health and Vice-Dean for Academic Development in the Faculty of Medicine, all at Imperial College, London.]%[/wiki]

And keep in mind not every person has to do what you've suggested. Just an average. Lets take myself as an example....I've been supply teaching for the last 6 weeks or so. I have 3 classes and 1 coverage in a day. At 25 kids a class that's 100 different kids I see a day. And I'm right up close almost in their faces...I'm not at the desk looking at my cell phone while the kids do who knows what... I pace back and forth and then I'm sitting down beside them using their laptop showing them pictures of animals from the Cambrian explosion and rambling incoherently about evolution and dinosaurs, or showing them my friends' passively solar heated home or, god knows I've done this before....showing them pictures of my Tubelab SSE going on about vacuum tubes, transistors IC chips and the march of progress.....

If I was infected I could easily infect a 1000 people a week. So, I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's just an average....

If you're really interested in the formula watch the video's from the Imperil College in London with Neil Ferguson. He explains clearly how he does it. He now uses 5 days as a doubling time, 7 was from a while ago....
 
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