I'm very sorry the 3rd edition no longer has the good and bad circuits. They were my responsibility, and I simply ran out of time and wasn't able to edit them for inclusion. We also ran out of space. But we will try to bring them back, either on our web page, or in the upcoming x-Chapter book.
The book is so full of material, mostly all new material, it's crammed to the proverbial gills. Hopefully you'll be so enthralled with all that, that you won't long miss the Good and Bad Circuits. 🙂
I've ordered it, of course, but really, the "Bad Circuits" section was one of the best pedagogical tools I've ever seen. I hope that you can find a way to get them back out there.
Yes as a long time reader of the 2nd edition I wholeheartedly agree. Cost me £35 ( approx $55 ) in 1994, I think. Best money I ever spent on an electronics book.
Yes, indeed 😀
Gordon.
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Gordon, you should spring for the 3rd edition. It's filled with new material especially important to the audio DIY crowd.
I know because I first spent untold hours here looking for certain information, finding only bits and pieces in bits and drabs, and it seemed much of it was clearly wrong.
So I selected and purchased many hundreds of components, and persuaded Paul to pitch in, and together we spent a few man-years taking thousands and thousands of measurements, and organizing it all for publication in the 3rd edition. It's the kind of stuff you wish was in the datasheets, and should be, but isn't. Now it's in our tables, graphs, and discussions.
I know because I first spent untold hours here looking for certain information, finding only bits and pieces in bits and drabs, and it seemed much of it was clearly wrong.
So I selected and purchased many hundreds of components, and persuaded Paul to pitch in, and together we spent a few man-years taking thousands and thousands of measurements, and organizing it all for publication in the 3rd edition. It's the kind of stuff you wish was in the datasheets, and should be, but isn't. Now it's in our tables, graphs, and discussions.
And for those of us who do not enjoy free shipping from the rainforest book seller,
The book depository has the 3ed in stock with free shipping 😀😀
I still keep and treasure the 2nd edition - it wasn't on my book list at university but the lab techs told us to buy it if we ever wanted to learn anything. They were right !
The book depository has the 3ed in stock with free shipping 😀😀
I still keep and treasure the 2nd edition - it wasn't on my book list at university but the lab techs told us to buy it if we ever wanted to learn anything. They were right !
Is there an errata list online somewhere for the third edition?
I think I have found a few (One missing table, one NPN/PNP pair with the same part number for both, and DALI is not the replacement for DMX, that would be ACN, DALI is used by the architectural lighting guys)....
I am loving the chapter on low noise and precision design, that on its own is worth the price of admission.
regards, Dan.
I think I have found a few (One missing table, one NPN/PNP pair with the same part number for both, and DALI is not the replacement for DMX, that would be ACN, DALI is used by the architectural lighting guys)....
I am loving the chapter on low noise and precision design, that on its own is worth the price of admission.
regards, Dan.
I bought 2nd ed, a few years back.
I hardly ever open it after first reading through the whole book, too a long while.
Whereas I refer back to Cordell, Self & JLH regularly.
I hardly ever open it after first reading through the whole book, too a long while.
Whereas I refer back to Cordell, Self & JLH regularly.
That same chapter in the 2nd edition was very good. I haven't read the up to date version, I expect that it'll be well worth a look.
I've only come across the writings of Douglas Self and John Linsley Hood in book chapters ( Audio Engineering know it all, Newness. ) and articles from electronics magazines ( Wireless world / Electronics world and ETI when it existed ), Also stuff on Doug Self's website. Not read any of their books, yet.
Gordon.
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I've added it to my wish list on "that book site". It'll be a while before I can afford it, but it'll be mine some day.
Mr. Hill, being a big fan of the AoE , when the <The Art of Electronics: The x-Chapters> will be available ?
an comment on the ever enigmatic serial connection of transistors (esp. MOSFETs) §9.13.5 (page 697 third edition) :
< the capacitors should be chosen large enough to swamp differences in transistor input capacitance, which otherwise cause unequal division, reducing breakdown voltage..>
I regard this as misleading : sset the unreal case of all transistors (MOSFEts) being the same, the voltage division will not be equal/ aequidistant ! The lowest divider impedance has to take the summ of all serial transistor steering currents, so each divider is carrying a different current, summing up at the most bottom one.
The caps need to be large enough to get a low voltage drop for the sum of all individual steering currents (Miller current+Gate-Source cap current)...
Philipp
an comment on the ever enigmatic serial connection of transistors (esp. MOSFETs) §9.13.5 (page 697 third edition) :
< the capacitors should be chosen large enough to swamp differences in transistor input capacitance, which otherwise cause unequal division, reducing breakdown voltage..>
I regard this as misleading : sset the unreal case of all transistors (MOSFEts) being the same, the voltage division will not be equal/ aequidistant ! The lowest divider impedance has to take the summ of all serial transistor steering currents, so each divider is carrying a different current, summing up at the most bottom one.
The caps need to be large enough to get a low voltage drop for the sum of all individual steering currents (Miller current+Gate-Source cap current)...
Philipp
This discussion gives me the "Metallica" feeling. I started with the Black Edition, in 1981, as physics-electronics-textbook.
I love this third edition and wish the authors countless sold issues in the future...american pragmatism at its best, every comparing german book I know is a yawner !
my comment on MOSFET serial connection is really only tip of an ice hill...with high voltage amplifiers I know the "Rammstein" feeling ("Feuer frei")...I am looking forward to Winfield Hill´s answer...have fun, philipp
my comment on MOSFET serial connection is really only tip of an ice hill...with high voltage amplifiers I know the "Rammstein" feeling ("Feuer frei")...I am looking forward to Winfield Hill´s answer...have fun, philipp
I have used the 2'nd edition for 20years or so, but I have just ordered the 3'rd edition. It is always useful to be 'up to date'. This is the best overall book I have ever owned for learning electronics.
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I have a review in an upcoming Linear Audio, which ends with:
'Summarising, “The Art of Electronics” 3rd Ed. is probably the most significant analogue electronics book published this decade. It deserves to be on everyone’s bench and I hope it pays for the authors to have a plush retirement.'
'Nuff said.
Jan
'Summarising, “The Art of Electronics” 3rd Ed. is probably the most significant analogue electronics book published this decade. It deserves to be on everyone’s bench and I hope it pays for the authors to have a plush retirement.'
'Nuff said.
Jan
It's true that larger divider capacitance values will improve equalization. But large caps also increase the undesirable capacitive load on the output. The primary capacitance of concern is Crss. We like to choose small-die MOSFETs for circuits like this. A typical example would be a FQD2N100. This part is below 5pF above 25V. So the 100pF value we mention is already quite large, maybe excessively large. [I have created hi-Z low-cap fast-slew MOSFET probes to look at this stuff.] Gate-source currents are modest, because Vgs barely changes under most circumstances. If you want to scale the cap values in the divider, that's fine, but it's convenient to leave them the same. [Confession: I'm not really worried about drain-voltage imbalances -- I'm not at all afraid of low-current avalanche in MOSFETs, should it occur. Check out your part's Transient Thermal Response curves, and run the numbers.]
Thanks Jan, will that be in Vol 11? I need to order the last few vols, having gotten behind.
One of my favorite topics is high-power amplifier slew rates, you know, the thing that gives superior transient response and full power to 150kHz, etc.
My lastest 100W amplifier design is flat from DC to 10MHz, has 1000V/us slewing and delivers full power into 8 ohms to 5MHz. I'm working to push that spec to 10 or 15MHz. Dunno, do you think anybody would be interested in the gory details?
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