Scottmoose said:
A shame... it would have been interesting if you'd had your epiphany earlier.
dave
Lon,
A few days ago I was recieving notices after every post rather than suspending notices until I checked the first unrerad post. Now it is back to normal. FWIW.
Ray
A few days ago I was recieving notices after every post rather than suspending notices until I checked the first unrerad post. Now it is back to normal. FWIW.
Ray
planet10 said:
Next time round, I'll be there. I wasn't at all pleased at having to miss that one.
>>> the BIBs are pretty good value for money.
They are quite possibly the BEST value for the money.
Amazing how the midrange is improved in a BIB. Everything just relaxes and floats in a larger image than many are accustomed too i'd bet.
I just look at the Pioneer/Piezo and can tell where the sound is coming from. The BIB presented a large image that took up the entire wall. Instruments popped out left, right and center in a spooky way.
And now my bass is all gone 🙁
They are quite possibly the BEST value for the money.
Amazing how the midrange is improved in a BIB. Everything just relaxes and floats in a larger image than many are accustomed too i'd bet.
I just look at the Pioneer/Piezo and can tell where the sound is coming from. The BIB presented a large image that took up the entire wall. Instruments popped out left, right and center in a spooky way.
And now my bass is all gone 🙁
Hi Scott
I am a bit late posting to this thread - it can move fast at times.
I feel the same way about Lisa Gerarrd - saw her last night at the play house and had tears in my eyes for about half the show and was holding my breath for the other half. Some of the English-language lyrics were a little clunky and it took me a short while to adapt to pre-recorded elements of the show, but these things seem trivial to mention - she was mesmerising.
I will check out Loreena's music again; I have listened to some in the past and found it somewhat too contrived, perhaps a little clichéd, to communicate with me on a deep emotional level - that probably says more about me at the time than her music tho. If you gain so much enjoyment form her music it must be worth another shot. It would not surprise me that she is much more communicative live - more direct and unadulterated; sounds like the performer, crowd, venue, and the intangible came together to create a rare musical experience – awesome.
Anyhow, glad you had a great concert experience - interesting I had something very similar from a different artist within a day-or-so.
Cheers
Raymond
I am a bit late posting to this thread - it can move fast at times.
I feel the same way about Lisa Gerarrd - saw her last night at the play house and had tears in my eyes for about half the show and was holding my breath for the other half. Some of the English-language lyrics were a little clunky and it took me a short while to adapt to pre-recorded elements of the show, but these things seem trivial to mention - she was mesmerising.
I will check out Loreena's music again; I have listened to some in the past and found it somewhat too contrived, perhaps a little clichéd, to communicate with me on a deep emotional level - that probably says more about me at the time than her music tho. If you gain so much enjoyment form her music it must be worth another shot. It would not surprise me that she is much more communicative live - more direct and unadulterated; sounds like the performer, crowd, venue, and the intangible came together to create a rare musical experience – awesome.
Anyhow, glad you had a great concert experience - interesting I had something very similar from a different artist within a day-or-so.
Cheers
Raymond
And So It Begins .....
I sourced my BB from Anderson Plywood in Culver City, CA. The have it in 4x8 sheets, 3/4 thick. $80/sheet.
Milling fees to cut the wood to 168ez specs were ... $8.00 ... total. I was expecting the milling to be more .... glad I didn't do the cuts myself.
Here are some photos of the build .... it going together pretty easily so far.
Breaking in the drivers:
assembling the boxes:
I used a Dremel with a circle attachment to cut the hole ... worked really well.
My "shop" is a combo of photo darkroom and motorcycle garage.
Thats all for now ... more to come.
I sourced my BB from Anderson Plywood in Culver City, CA. The have it in 4x8 sheets, 3/4 thick. $80/sheet.
Milling fees to cut the wood to 168ez specs were ... $8.00 ... total. I was expecting the milling to be more .... glad I didn't do the cuts myself.
Here are some photos of the build .... it going together pretty easily so far.
Breaking in the drivers:
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assembling the boxes:
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I used a Dremel with a circle attachment to cut the hole ... worked really well.
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My "shop" is a combo of photo darkroom and motorcycle garage.
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Thats all for now ... more to come.
Hi Ray -interesting that's two of us across the same period. Glad you enjoyed your concert too -sounds v. impressive to me.
FWIW, one of the problems Loreena has is that she often gets lumped into the dreaded 'new-age' hippie category in shops etc., which doesn't do her any favours at all, for she's very much out on her own. Contrived she is not -you won't find any elves, or pretty-pretty moments in her music. She's only ever done deliberately 'nice' sounding tracks once (at the start of Parallel Dreams) -and then you realise it's all straight out of historical Celtic mythology and it takes on a whole new meaning. Metal / rock fans (yup, count me in) tend to be particular admirers. Odd, but there it is. She started out as pure folk, with a flare for the dramatic in that she was willing to set William Blake to music, and then progressed from there, following traditional Celtic sources for the most part. Certainly plenty of philosopical musings, which are integral to many of her albums, but Loreena has always held these beliefs, and they aren't of the 'let's all hold hands' (man) type so much as trying to connect the listener, and herself, to our past. Unlike a lot, she's genuine, and that makes a real difference -it's one of the reasons people love her so much. Not sure which of her albums you've heard, but try To Drive the Cold Winter Away. An idiosyncratic choice, but you'll forget cliche the instant you put it on. A selection of winter tracks / carols, performed & recorded very simply, in various churches & even a monestry. Haunting.
Ha! Another fine pair of BIBs being built. Wish I could build 'em like that. Keep us posted. And I have to say, I agree with Jeff -love the Buddah. Mine is a bit smaller, and sits on a bookshelf, beside my Dalai Lama book in case of need.
FWIW, one of the problems Loreena has is that she often gets lumped into the dreaded 'new-age' hippie category in shops etc., which doesn't do her any favours at all, for she's very much out on her own. Contrived she is not -you won't find any elves, or pretty-pretty moments in her music. She's only ever done deliberately 'nice' sounding tracks once (at the start of Parallel Dreams) -and then you realise it's all straight out of historical Celtic mythology and it takes on a whole new meaning. Metal / rock fans (yup, count me in) tend to be particular admirers. Odd, but there it is. She started out as pure folk, with a flare for the dramatic in that she was willing to set William Blake to music, and then progressed from there, following traditional Celtic sources for the most part. Certainly plenty of philosopical musings, which are integral to many of her albums, but Loreena has always held these beliefs, and they aren't of the 'let's all hold hands' (man) type so much as trying to connect the listener, and herself, to our past. Unlike a lot, she's genuine, and that makes a real difference -it's one of the reasons people love her so much. Not sure which of her albums you've heard, but try To Drive the Cold Winter Away. An idiosyncratic choice, but you'll forget cliche the instant you put it on. A selection of winter tracks / carols, performed & recorded very simply, in various churches & even a monestry. Haunting.
Ha! Another fine pair of BIBs being built. Wish I could build 'em like that. Keep us posted. And I have to say, I agree with Jeff -love the Buddah. Mine is a bit smaller, and sits on a bookshelf, beside my Dalai Lama book
>>> love the Buddah. Mine is a bit smaller...
I got one of these as a gift from a lovely Indian girl that worked nearby.
http://www.zillaspeak.com/ganesh.asp
Let's just say the wife wasn't thrilled from whom I got it from. She's sexyyyyy. A Buddah is in my future.
I got one of these as a gift from a lovely Indian girl that worked nearby.
http://www.zillaspeak.com/ganesh.asp
Let's just say the wife wasn't thrilled from whom I got it from. She's sexyyyyy. A Buddah is in my future.
Re: And So It Begins .....
U must be using the premium stuff, I stick with $35 HD, plywood (1/2" though) stuff. Waiting to see the final product...
gychang
G.Kennedy said:
U must be using the premium stuff, I stick with $35 HD, plywood (1/2" though) stuff. Waiting to see the final product...
gychang
Hi Scott
Thanx for taking the time to share on this slightly OT subject - it may further contribute to the pleasure (or more) I get from music.
I will pick this up when I next stumble into a store... You seem correct about Loreena's appeal to metal fans - a friend of mine who is an old-school goth-metal artist highly recommends her (he loves Lisa Gerrard too).
Thanx again
Raymond
Thanx for taking the time to share on this slightly OT subject - it may further contribute to the pleasure (or more) I get from music.
I will pick this up when I next stumble into a store... You seem correct about Loreena's appeal to metal fans - a friend of mine who is an old-school goth-metal artist highly recommends her (he loves Lisa Gerrard too).
Thanx again
Raymond
Loreena...
Done. Two tickets, May 12, 15th row, Paramount Theater, Oakland, CA.
I'm already a fan, BTW. I hadn't known she was coming, only the biggest Bay Area concerts are advertised over here in the valley. Thanks for the heads up, Scott, it should be a lovely night of music.
Anyone else going to be there?
Bill
Scottmoose said:
Done. Two tickets, May 12, 15th row, Paramount Theater, Oakland, CA.
I'm already a fan, BTW. I hadn't known she was coming, only the biggest Bay Area concerts are advertised over here in the valley. Thanks for the heads up, Scott, it should be a lovely night of music.
Anyone else going to be there?
Bill
Re: Re: And So It Begins .....
After reading through all the posts, I feel pretty confident I will get a good sounding final result, so I decided a bit more $$ into the cabinets was worth it. If it was an unestablished design, i probably would have not gotten the "good stuff"
So here is a couple questions while I am at this state of build:
What is the latest on stuffing/lining?? I believe it is Acustic Insulation. How thick and how are you attaching it to the baffle?? Any above the driver
What about routing of the wires?? I have seen low in back, running the wire up the baffle. I also have seen mid height, with the wire going directly through the baffle. I think I even saw side mounted right next to the driver.
Thoughts.
gychang said:
After reading through all the posts, I feel pretty confident I will get a good sounding final result, so I decided a bit more $$ into the cabinets was worth it. If it was an unestablished design, i probably would have not gotten the "good stuff"
So here is a couple questions while I am at this state of build:
What is the latest on stuffing/lining?? I believe it is Acustic Insulation. How thick and how are you attaching it to the baffle?? Any above the driver
What about routing of the wires?? I have seen low in back, running the wire up the baffle. I also have seen mid height, with the wire going directly through the baffle. I think I even saw side mounted right next to the driver.
Thoughts.
Bill -enjoy my friend. BTW -you'll walk out convinced she looked at you repeatedly.
Ray -it'll be worth it mate. One listen (two at the most I suspect) and you'll be another one who's fallen. Try to get the remastered version if possible -the originals, although sonically very good, were balanced for tape, the remasters are far better.
Just about any wire position is OK. FWIW, I run mine out the back, low down, as I don't like drilling holes in internal baffles if I can avoid it, and it keeps the binding posts / tray out of the way of the final flare. Plus, you don't have wires hanging about in mid-air, but tucked away neatly. TBH, I doubt it makes a difference sonically.
I tend to use light BAF wadding from Maplins from behind the driver up to the point (seal that with caulking BTW) on the rear wall and one side wall, and a light layer of the same on the internal base. It's very thin, but helps kill HF reflections. That's about it.
BTW guys -internal wire. I don't want to start another great cable debate as there's been plenty of those, few of which ever prove to be especially productive, with the exception of one I remember back in the days of the old FR forum. It's just a personal observation / suggestion some of you might want to try, especially if you've got low Q drivers.
The much maligned solid core bell wire. Nope, I'm not kidding. It's about 20 - 22AWG depending on where you get it from, figure 8 construction, nice quality copper and costs just about nothing. Easier and more benign electrically than a twisted pair extracted from a run of Cat5, or a couple of single runs of magnet wire. Give it a shot -you might be surprised. Just make sure you get the solid copper type, not the stranded. Don't ask me why, I don't know, but it works better. Stranded seems to have some smearing. Can I prove that? No. Am I hearing things? Maybe -I didn't do this double-blind, but I had no expectations either way at the start other than curiosity.
Ray -it'll be worth it mate. One listen (two at the most I suspect) and you'll be another one who's fallen. Try to get the remastered version if possible -the originals, although sonically very good, were balanced for tape, the remasters are far better.
Just about any wire position is OK. FWIW, I run mine out the back, low down, as I don't like drilling holes in internal baffles if I can avoid it, and it keeps the binding posts / tray out of the way of the final flare. Plus, you don't have wires hanging about in mid-air, but tucked away neatly. TBH, I doubt it makes a difference sonically.
I tend to use light BAF wadding from Maplins from behind the driver up to the point (seal that with caulking BTW) on the rear wall and one side wall, and a light layer of the same on the internal base. It's very thin, but helps kill HF reflections. That's about it.
BTW guys -internal wire. I don't want to start another great cable debate as there's been plenty of those, few of which ever prove to be especially productive, with the exception of one I remember back in the days of the old FR forum. It's just a personal observation / suggestion some of you might want to try, especially if you've got low Q drivers.
The much maligned solid core bell wire. Nope, I'm not kidding. It's about 20 - 22AWG depending on where you get it from, figure 8 construction, nice quality copper and costs just about nothing. Easier and more benign electrically than a twisted pair extracted from a run of Cat5, or a couple of single runs of magnet wire. Give it a shot -you might be surprised. Just make sure you get the solid copper type, not the stranded. Don't ask me why, I don't know, but it works better. Stranded seems to have some smearing. Can I prove that? No. Am I hearing things? Maybe -I didn't do this double-blind, but I had no expectations either way at the start other than curiosity.
Scott,
you may be hearing things - but if so, come and join the club. It doesn't make a walls shattering difference of course. Let's compare it to one more layer removed in the "Dance of the Seven Veils".
And as to Loreena McKennit - oh boy, you are in danger by getting my alliances to fray at the edges. For nearly forty years Jacqui McShee has worn the crown I serve, but after a short listening to L McK I'm not so sure anymore.
Quite smitten,
Pit
you may be hearing things - but if so, come and join the club. It doesn't make a walls shattering difference of course. Let's compare it to one more layer removed in the "Dance of the Seven Veils".
And as to Loreena McKennit - oh boy, you are in danger by getting my alliances to fray at the edges. For nearly forty years Jacqui McShee has worn the crown I serve, but after a short listening to L McK I'm not so sure anymore.
Quite smitten,
Pit
...and another one has fallen for her. 😉 Can't say I'm surprised... 🙂
Glad I'm not the only one re the solid core wire -your description is smack on with what I'm hearing. Seems to remove a fine layer of electronic haze. Smearing in the time-domain perhaps? Whatever, it works for me anyway. Bell wire, Cat 5 or magnet wire are all cheap'n cheerful and do the job a treat.
Glad I'm not the only one re the solid core wire -your description is smack on with what I'm hearing. Seems to remove a fine layer of electronic haze. Smearing in the time-domain perhaps? Whatever, it works for me anyway. Bell wire, Cat 5 or magnet wire are all cheap'n cheerful and do the job a treat.
Well, tell doctors to throw away all their test equipment and just put a cd on - anybody who doesn't immediately break out in goosebumps must be deaf. Some singers are more than enough reason for the likes of us to keep tinkering. Oh, lest I forget - add Cara Dillon and (even for those who don't have the Gaelic) Julie Fowliss. Try to get the two hours' BBC TV coverage of the 2006 Cambridge Folk Festival and pity the "singers for the toothbrace generation".
Cables have C and L, so we share a suspicion here. OK, the values are as tiny as to be hardly measurable - but so is the amount of botulismus toxin that will kill an elephant.
of Our Ladies,
Pit
Cables have C and L, so we share a suspicion here. OK, the values are as tiny as to be hardly measurable - but so is the amount of botulismus toxin that will kill an elephant.
of Our Ladies,Pit
I agree with you about the solid core wire. I listened to both and I also reckon it is better! It makes me wonder when one hears such small differences, if it would be interesting to try some fine guage solid core silver.... I know...but the price won't be ridiculous, when it is so thin.
Stroop
Stroop
I went the Cat5 route, 4 strands carefully staightened, then braided. Drilled a small hole
directly behind the driver, through the inner baffle and out the back. The holes can be
easily sealed, and if I want to try different wire in the future, it can be simply pulled through.
Routing it down through the speaker and caulking in seemed more or less permanent.
Cheap and easy, and very happy with the results.
But I'm going to have to be the odd man out reference Loreena McKennitt. Tried her before,
and wasn't impressed. All the raves made me take a second look. Sorry.
KD Lang, Eva Cassidy, Some of the mezzo's, Juliette Pochin, even Katherine Jenkins all
way above Loreena in my book. Anyway, each to his own.
John.
directly behind the driver, through the inner baffle and out the back. The holes can be
easily sealed, and if I want to try different wire in the future, it can be simply pulled through.
Routing it down through the speaker and caulking in seemed more or less permanent.
Cheap and easy, and very happy with the results.
But I'm going to have to be the odd man out reference Loreena McKennitt. Tried her before,
and wasn't impressed. All the raves made me take a second look. Sorry.
KD Lang, Eva Cassidy, Some of the mezzo's, Juliette Pochin, even Katherine Jenkins all
way above Loreena in my book. Anyway, each to his own.
John.