Re: Illusions of India
nah dude .... i have no id about illusion brand of speakers ... lemme check out the web page....
hey do u know about channel bridging
tcpip said:
nah dude .... i have no id about illusion brand of speakers ... lemme check out the web page....
hey do u know about channel bridging
Try this bridging adapter at Rod Elliott's page http://sound.westhost.com/project14.htm
Binil Varghese.....name sounds mallu....how did you land in Jamshedpur???
Binil Varghese.....name sounds mallu....how did you land in Jamshedpur???
Why the hell can we not get such drivers in India when they are being manufactured here? This is absolutely ridiculous. Why can someone not have some retail outlets for hi quality speaker drivers instead of catering only to OEMs.
Vivek
MP showed me some woofers like these. they were not boxed or wired so i did not hear them. looking at them though, i have only one aphrehension. that NdFeB magnet assembly on the front is bound to affect their midrange response. so i would not venture to use these above 200Hz. when i firs saw these i thought tio would be nice if MP can shape the magnet into a "phase plug".
To Roshan
😎 yes buddy roshan i'm from kerala a pakka mallu mixed with the a veriety of cultures of germany and eastern india and maharstra..... ok ok ... wait ... my dad has a business in jamshedpur and so i'm here .... and the rest of the places above .... well i did my studies there ..... hehe hey thanks for the link on channel bidging ..... bridging ...... Binil
roshan101 said:
😎 yes buddy roshan i'm from kerala a pakka mallu mixed with the a veriety of cultures of germany and eastern india and maharstra..... ok ok ... wait ... my dad has a business in jamshedpur and so i'm here .... and the rest of the places above .... well i did my studies there ..... hehe hey thanks for the link on channel bidging ..... bridging ...... Binil
MPs subs
Navin, Tarun ... just placed an order for paleshas sub. Hope the courier co. dont screw this up.
He has 2 types: 10" deep basket polymica cone & 12"non pressed paper cone, both costing the same. Says the 10" performs better for music. Navin, i wonder if you've checked these in his demo room? Its supposed to be a relatively new .
Could polymica and polypropylene be the same? As suranjan mentioned, I guess the material is meant to survive exrtreme temperature which is typical of a car sub.
Hope the boomy sound Navin experienced is due to playing 4 12" subs simultaneously - or- poor room accoustics. Anyway I'm not an experienced audiophile so a little boominess wouldnt hurt. Besides its difficult to find a perfect sub that doesn't cost a bomb.
Will post details once the package arrives.
Navin, Tarun ... just placed an order for paleshas sub. Hope the courier co. dont screw this up.
He has 2 types: 10" deep basket polymica cone & 12"non pressed paper cone, both costing the same. Says the 10" performs better for music. Navin, i wonder if you've checked these in his demo room? Its supposed to be a relatively new .
Could polymica and polypropylene be the same? As suranjan mentioned, I guess the material is meant to survive exrtreme temperature which is typical of a car sub.
Hope the boomy sound Navin experienced is due to playing 4 12" subs simultaneously - or- poor room accoustics. Anyway I'm not an experienced audiophile so a little boominess wouldnt hurt. Besides its difficult to find a perfect sub that doesn't cost a bomb.
Will post details once the package arrives.
mp
hii roshan ,
do keep me updated abt the mp woofers.... did u buy with the enclousers or just te woofer. well i am buying the toyatone woofer lets see how it performs.....
and that web site was immpressive - are Carson walla - they are priced very well too. hope more retailers come up here in india.
hii roshan ,
do keep me updated abt the mp woofers.... did u buy with the enclousers or just te woofer. well i am buying the toyatone woofer lets see how it performs.....
and that web site was immpressive - are Carson walla - they are priced very well too. hope more retailers come up here in india.
Re: MPs subs
I hope so too. i heard MP subs at the AVmax show not in his showroom.
Polymica is more prevalent in car audio. from what i understand (could be totally wrong) is that poly mica cones are stiffer than doped paper. this means the surround has tobe properly designed to absorb the breakup (this was the problem with earlier kevlar coned drivers). Howevr doing this mightmean that more is spent on the surround than on the cone. hence they usually pair polymica with any old surround and sell them to the car market where breakup is not such an issue. Road noise masks the breakup anyway.
MP might offer a more correct/rational reasoning.
I hope so too. I suspect the boom was due to 3-4 reasons.
1. Too high a Qts for teh box (high Qts = smaller box = higher WAF)
2. poor plaecment in room and poor room acoustics (wall deadinging etc...) however manger managed nice sound in a similar room with very little if any treatment.
3. poor electronics, equallization, levels, etc..
4. the boom was a specific requirement to attract the "BOOM-TIZZ" crowd.
roshan101 said:
I hope so too. i heard MP subs at the AVmax show not in his showroom.
Polymica is more prevalent in car audio. from what i understand (could be totally wrong) is that poly mica cones are stiffer than doped paper. this means the surround has tobe properly designed to absorb the breakup (this was the problem with earlier kevlar coned drivers). Howevr doing this mightmean that more is spent on the surround than on the cone. hence they usually pair polymica with any old surround and sell them to the car market where breakup is not such an issue. Road noise masks the breakup anyway.
MP might offer a more correct/rational reasoning.
I hope so too. I suspect the boom was due to 3-4 reasons.
1. Too high a Qts for teh box (high Qts = smaller box = higher WAF)
2. poor plaecment in room and poor room acoustics (wall deadinging etc...) however manger managed nice sound in a similar room with very little if any treatment.
3. poor electronics, equallization, levels, etc..
4. the boom was a specific requirement to attract the "BOOM-TIZZ" crowd.
Re: Re: MPs subs
Well I asked MP the preferred sub for home hi-fi suitable for rock music & not HT or car audio, and he mentioned it would be 10" polymica. Im relying mostly on his expertise.
Do you think I should ask to ship the 12" instead? His emails are very brief, so I guess he must be busy.
Just the woofer. Will be constructing the cabinet here. Will let you know how they turn out. Meanwhile keep me informed about the toyatone spkrs. Plan to construct sub for multimedia as my next project using these.brokenbinil said:
navin said:
Well I asked MP the preferred sub for home hi-fi suitable for rock music & not HT or car audio, and he mentioned it would be 10" polymica. Im relying mostly on his expertise.
Do you think I should ask to ship the 12" instead? His emails are very brief, so I guess he must be busy.
Hi roshan...
Do u have any measurements of these devices yet...?
If so could u post them if possible please...!!
Thanx
ajju
Do u have any measurements of these devices yet...?
If so could u post them if possible please...!!
Thanx
ajju
Hi Ajju,
The t/s specs not available yet. Have asked him twice- once by email and the other on the covering letter of the DD. Hopefully he'll send the details along with the driver. Will post once I have it.
The t/s specs not available yet. Have asked him twice- once by email and the other on the covering letter of the DD. Hopefully he'll send the details along with the driver. Will post once I have it.
Roshan please note
i jsu remebered when i was going thru their web site www.palesha.com - well some of his products had the ts para along with them why not try them.
and about:
Try this bridging adapter at Rod Elliott's page http://sound.westhost.com/project14.htm
roshan i went thru the material .... and wanted to ask u did u go thru it .... well i mena did u try it. actually there is a confusion :
😕 the circuit is showing two out put s for one channel from the pre amp.
ok and that wud mean for a stereo setup there would be four out puts after the adapter? ok now the problem is how do i connect my power amp to these four channels when i have only two inputs in a stereo power amp . please help
Bini
i jsu remebered when i was going thru their web site www.palesha.com - well some of his products had the ts para along with them why not try them.
and about:
Try this bridging adapter at Rod Elliott's page http://sound.westhost.com/project14.htm
roshan i went thru the material .... and wanted to ask u did u go thru it .... well i mena did u try it. actually there is a confusion :
😕 the circuit is showing two out put s for one channel from the pre amp.
ok and that wud mean for a stereo setup there would be four out puts after the adapter? ok now the problem is how do i connect my power amp to these four channels when i have only two inputs in a stereo power amp . please help Bini
Re: Roshan please note
You need two stereo amps for a bridge config. That's four inputs.
Each stereo amp becomes one channel. The speaker is connected across the outputs of the two halves of the stereo amp.
Would suggest you a spend a little time on Rod's site and read what bridging is about.
brokenbinil said:
You need two stereo amps for a bridge config. That's four inputs.
Each stereo amp becomes one channel. The speaker is connected across the outputs of the two halves of the stereo amp.
Would suggest you a spend a little time on Rod's site and read what bridging is about.
Re: Re: Roshan please note
hi sangram thanks ! but still there are some doubts.
ok i use two stereo amps ! done! then i get four inputs for the four out puts from the pre amp and bridge adapter; that is also fine . but now i have total of four channels thts two from each amp. right? now tell me how do i connect one woofer across four channels . lets say we keep aside the negatives even then we have four positive . hope u get my problem.
please help .
i know i might be bugging you guys but this is fairly new to me.
Binil
sangram said:
hi sangram thanks ! but still there are some doubts.
ok i use two stereo amps ! done! then i get four inputs for the four out puts from the pre amp and bridge adapter; that is also fine . but now i have total of four channels thts two from each amp. right? now tell me how do i connect one woofer across four channels . lets say we keep aside the negatives even then we have four positive . hope u get my problem.
please help .
i know i might be bugging you guys but this is fairly new to me.
Binil
For simplicity... Assuming u need just 1 mono amp from stereo for ur sub.......
U just need 1 adapter. L output of adpt goes to L input of amp. Similar with R Chnl.
One terminal of spkr is connected to +ve out of L chnl amp and other terminal to +ve out of R chnl amp. -ve spk out of amp is not used. Hope its clear enough.
U just need 1 adapter. L output of adpt goes to L input of amp. Similar with R Chnl.
One terminal of spkr is connected to +ve out of L chnl amp and other terminal to +ve out of R chnl amp. -ve spk out of amp is not used. Hope its clear enough.
hey roshan one more thing
u said i need to use a mono amp . now where do i get a left n rite channel in a mono.
roshan101 said:
u said i need to use a mono amp . now where do i get a left n rite channel in a mono.
hi
i dont have a web site yet ,
i will be coming up with one at around the end of this year , (or may be later , sorry)
where i will have to expand and get out of my oem mode of operation
for a web site i have to have a person dedicated to check mails reply , if orders come through process those along with the current production going on and have them packed and forwarded ets
i will also be marketing my products through out india appointing distributors ets
make my web site in such a way that distributor prices are not skipped by customers and people jump and order directly through me - a good point of having a web site is that i can force the dealers to keep my entire line up in my web - site , and get across the tech info / specs
otherwise i can easily tell them i will be forced to sell directly if any orders come in for something they are not keeping
we need the dealers they push sales , one of the reasons bolton has avoided a web site (+ the added cost of hosting and employing a well educated person for feedback mails and correspondence )
also :-
right now i firstly meet the pricing targets , and out perform competition in an oem supply based marketing
where i know the probable order / month beforehand
i provide free samples to my customer for testing , make necesaary changes to suit amplifier matching the type of sound he wants , and basically i devolop the product to pass his tests (not mine !)
where as now i understand fully well that to customers with a limited order
i have to firstly test my products , test my competitors products and post both results in a head to head competition format with the pricing (mine /vs/ vifa/vs/peerless/vs/bolton competition all in their individual t/s parmeter derived enclosures :- bookshelves to towers) subs :- (mine/vs/klipsh/vs/infinity/ets)
provide t/s parameters ets but most important will be real life plots head to head
for this not only i should have such products in the first place but do all of these , i dont mind the challange as i am looking forward to it , but i will require time
as i need a semi aenchoic testing room to start of with ,
as of now i have lots of stuff / hit products - but all in raw form - intended for quantity orders
i have ultimate su - woofer cones but not a complete sub as i dont know the power handling a customer may want , and when i make a sub for a specfic customer i will be making it as a free sample being fully aware that i will be looking at a quantity monthly order
till then all i can advise is that a web site with all the features being asked to me is available in india - marketing vifa - scanspeak speakers
though i am sitting on a much wider product line up than what is being hosted and will give them a ultimate head to head competition at 1/4 th the price
i have to go towards what i have chocked out in this reply and then approach the market
the responce and encouragement i have recived has been very good and this approach of testing / providing specs ets - web site has all been inspired from my experience here - and i will - fight the good fight
suranjan das gupta
i dont have a web site yet ,
i will be coming up with one at around the end of this year , (or may be later , sorry)
where i will have to expand and get out of my oem mode of operation
for a web site i have to have a person dedicated to check mails reply , if orders come through process those along with the current production going on and have them packed and forwarded ets
i will also be marketing my products through out india appointing distributors ets
make my web site in such a way that distributor prices are not skipped by customers and people jump and order directly through me - a good point of having a web site is that i can force the dealers to keep my entire line up in my web - site , and get across the tech info / specs
otherwise i can easily tell them i will be forced to sell directly if any orders come in for something they are not keeping
we need the dealers they push sales , one of the reasons bolton has avoided a web site (+ the added cost of hosting and employing a well educated person for feedback mails and correspondence )
also :-
right now i firstly meet the pricing targets , and out perform competition in an oem supply based marketing
where i know the probable order / month beforehand
i provide free samples to my customer for testing , make necesaary changes to suit amplifier matching the type of sound he wants , and basically i devolop the product to pass his tests (not mine !)
where as now i understand fully well that to customers with a limited order
i have to firstly test my products , test my competitors products and post both results in a head to head competition format with the pricing (mine /vs/ vifa/vs/peerless/vs/bolton competition all in their individual t/s parmeter derived enclosures :- bookshelves to towers) subs :- (mine/vs/klipsh/vs/infinity/ets)
provide t/s parameters ets but most important will be real life plots head to head
for this not only i should have such products in the first place but do all of these , i dont mind the challange as i am looking forward to it , but i will require time
as i need a semi aenchoic testing room to start of with ,
as of now i have lots of stuff / hit products - but all in raw form - intended for quantity orders
i have ultimate su - woofer cones but not a complete sub as i dont know the power handling a customer may want , and when i make a sub for a specfic customer i will be making it as a free sample being fully aware that i will be looking at a quantity monthly order
till then all i can advise is that a web site with all the features being asked to me is available in india - marketing vifa - scanspeak speakers
though i am sitting on a much wider product line up than what is being hosted and will give them a ultimate head to head competition at 1/4 th the price
i have to go towards what i have chocked out in this reply and then approach the market
the responce and encouragement i have recived has been very good and this approach of testing / providing specs ets - web site has all been inspired from my experience here - and i will - fight the good fight
suranjan das gupta
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