Re: Hunting down Hunter??
Otherwise, Panda Audio seems to be alive and kicking. He seems to be making more money selling ready-made amps and speakers than drivers, so his focus has shifted away from DIYers a bit, I felt.
Nice post, Sangram. I guess we are now all trying to soothe ruffled feathers. 🙂 Not that that is a bad thing, but it still leaves unanswered questions unanswered. Sorry about being so insistent about this.
Let's try to re-visit why we lost patience with Hunter Audio, when this forum is usually tolerant of fools (I being one of them).
It all started when Hunter Audio came in with a bang, telling us all how he can make drivers to beat all competitors. I saw a lot of technical depth in his posts, but very little humility. No problem with that. But what we must accept is that Hunter Audio never came in like other "DIY end-users" like us. He made his position very clear from Day 1: he was a "speaker maker and seller". He did not seem inclined to share his experiences of audio system building like the rest of us amateurs. He wanted to sell his drivers to us. That's why his very first thread was shifted to Trading Post; he was very clear about his positioning.
In that case, I want to treat him like I treat other businessmen with whom I do business. I want to see his wares, I want pricing information, and I want quick responses to my queries. I don't want to see this attitude of "Why do you want to know T/S parameters? Isn't it enough that I'm telling you my drivers sound brilliant?" (Apparently Hunter Audio has responded with this response in a verbal conversation with one of the forum members.) Man!! If I'm a potential customer, and I want to know parameters of something you're trying to sell me, then you'd best just shut up and give me those parameters. Otherwise, don't try to sell me things. That's the simple-minded way I understand business, and that's the attitude I have when I meet my customers in my day job.
So, unlike many others on this thread, I don't think we treated Hunter Audio shabbily. I feel we treated him with a lot of patience, and he responded with a lack of transparency which did injustice to us and our patience. Considering that he positioned himself as a seller, not a DIY builder, I feel the rules that apply to his responses are different from those that apply to just us, who are here to ask questions, discuss plans, and share. Hunter Audio wants us to part with our money, so he has to be willing to do business by the rules of business. Hunter Audio should learn from other commercial seller-members like "AKSA", "Nelson Pass", or the guys at Dipchipelec, who are all members of this forum. He should see how clear, transparent, and honest their responses are, and how carefully they answer questions about their products, without pulling down competing products. Only today, I was reading a post by "AKSA" where he very gently inquired why another member preferred Rod Elliott's P3A PSU to AKSA's PSU. That, in my opinion, is professional and sensitive conduct.
And I cannot quite agree with some of the thoughts others have expressed about his reticence being linked to a fear of theft of intellectual property. People with such fears should not be in business. I am from the software industry; I have seen entire database management systems, with more than a million lines of code, reverse engineered from the binaries. This is a part of the business risks when you get into business. (Needless to say, the entity which did the reverse engineering didn't get a millionth of the market penetration of the original creator.) All speaker makers know that even if a competitor gets one piece of their product, he can dismantle it and study how it's made. Does this mean that we will now accept it if Vifas and Scanspeaks of this world stop giving us any technical details, saying that they are afraid that cheap knockoffs will begin selling in Chandni? This sounds too naive for most of us to believe. And if Hunter Audio is indeed this naive, I don't see how he can ever get into business, because doing business will mean he'll have to let the market "sample his wares."
All in all, I don't think I know how any of us can do business with Hunter Audio, till some of these things are fixed. 😀
Wishing him the best. 🙂
Tarun
I don't quite know which drivers you're referring to, but I guess I must've written about the Peerless dome tweeter and Bolton polycone midbass. Well, the Peerless is an old familiar device with me by now; I bought my first copy about two years ago. The Bolton midbass drivers were out of stock when I went to Panda Audio the other day. I'm getting them directly from Bolton now; I've written about this in another thread ("How are active x/o so simple/clean?")ajju said:
Otherwise, Panda Audio seems to be alive and kicking. He seems to be making more money selling ready-made amps and speakers than drivers, so his focus has shifted away from DIYers a bit, I felt.
sangram said:
Nice post, Sangram. I guess we are now all trying to soothe ruffled feathers. 🙂 Not that that is a bad thing, but it still leaves unanswered questions unanswered. Sorry about being so insistent about this.
Let's try to re-visit why we lost patience with Hunter Audio, when this forum is usually tolerant of fools (I being one of them).
It all started when Hunter Audio came in with a bang, telling us all how he can make drivers to beat all competitors. I saw a lot of technical depth in his posts, but very little humility. No problem with that. But what we must accept is that Hunter Audio never came in like other "DIY end-users" like us. He made his position very clear from Day 1: he was a "speaker maker and seller". He did not seem inclined to share his experiences of audio system building like the rest of us amateurs. He wanted to sell his drivers to us. That's why his very first thread was shifted to Trading Post; he was very clear about his positioning.
In that case, I want to treat him like I treat other businessmen with whom I do business. I want to see his wares, I want pricing information, and I want quick responses to my queries. I don't want to see this attitude of "Why do you want to know T/S parameters? Isn't it enough that I'm telling you my drivers sound brilliant?" (Apparently Hunter Audio has responded with this response in a verbal conversation with one of the forum members.) Man!! If I'm a potential customer, and I want to know parameters of something you're trying to sell me, then you'd best just shut up and give me those parameters. Otherwise, don't try to sell me things. That's the simple-minded way I understand business, and that's the attitude I have when I meet my customers in my day job.
So, unlike many others on this thread, I don't think we treated Hunter Audio shabbily. I feel we treated him with a lot of patience, and he responded with a lack of transparency which did injustice to us and our patience. Considering that he positioned himself as a seller, not a DIY builder, I feel the rules that apply to his responses are different from those that apply to just us, who are here to ask questions, discuss plans, and share. Hunter Audio wants us to part with our money, so he has to be willing to do business by the rules of business. Hunter Audio should learn from other commercial seller-members like "AKSA", "Nelson Pass", or the guys at Dipchipelec, who are all members of this forum. He should see how clear, transparent, and honest their responses are, and how carefully they answer questions about their products, without pulling down competing products. Only today, I was reading a post by "AKSA" where he very gently inquired why another member preferred Rod Elliott's P3A PSU to AKSA's PSU. That, in my opinion, is professional and sensitive conduct.
And I cannot quite agree with some of the thoughts others have expressed about his reticence being linked to a fear of theft of intellectual property. People with such fears should not be in business. I am from the software industry; I have seen entire database management systems, with more than a million lines of code, reverse engineered from the binaries. This is a part of the business risks when you get into business. (Needless to say, the entity which did the reverse engineering didn't get a millionth of the market penetration of the original creator.) All speaker makers know that even if a competitor gets one piece of their product, he can dismantle it and study how it's made. Does this mean that we will now accept it if Vifas and Scanspeaks of this world stop giving us any technical details, saying that they are afraid that cheap knockoffs will begin selling in Chandni? This sounds too naive for most of us to believe. And if Hunter Audio is indeed this naive, I don't see how he can ever get into business, because doing business will mean he'll have to let the market "sample his wares."
I agree 100%. My point is simply this: does he want to do business with us? If yes, he will have to accept our demands. Hunter Audio declining an audition of his speakers is as inexplicable to me as a car showroom declining my request for a test drive. Yes, Hunter Audio's business is his own to play with, but if he wants our money, he'll have to do business our way. I'm sure this is not an absurd demand, in any market, or of any business.
All in all, I don't think I know how any of us can do business with Hunter Audio, till some of these things are fixed. 😀
Wishing him the best. 🙂
Tarun
Quote from Sangram :
........But I don't think you were talking to me, were you? ....
Jeez. That was a goof . That was for Hunter_Audio and his speaker write up !!!!!
Sorry.
........But I don't think you were talking to me, were you? ....
Jeez. That was a goof . That was for Hunter_Audio and his speaker write up !!!!!
Sorry.
Tarun,
Panda Audio have got some raw drivers on their website. I was enquiring about them. What make, kind of drivers are they..
ajju
Hi
CLEARANCE OF NAME
Thanks for the input from abroad , and the advise of distributing samples , but i think i have to modify the suggestion or i may find more people criticizing me , and me distributing further samples - therefore i have dicided that -
I will construct a powered subwoofer using my driver and a pair of sats - using my fullranges and tweeters
take them all down to bombay to - Navin (who seems to me a level and a nutral person) , meet him to prove i actually exisist , i come from a family who have been in our freedom struggle and beyond i ll take along my passport and family tree to prove my existance ( for the benefit of people like peterpan ) and
demo him my drivers , since good drivers are electronics dependant (i have faced a lot of people talking of distortion coming from their home brew amps and blaming my speakers / which are accurate enough to bring out the distortion when compiared to other drivers they were using before - and ive had to lug my scope , signal generator etc to prove the distortion is from the amps )
therefore i will be construting my own sub amp and sat amp c/o my own circuit and pcb design / also it will prove my knowledge in audio electronics
I have lugged items to bombay before and the railway police are like hawks to make money on electronic goods coming in , i will leave it in the cloak counter , the day navin is free (mind it when he is free not the day to my liking ) to retrive the spks to test them and also answear any question he would like to ask me
i will be making a 12 inch non press paper cone with a natural rubber - high loss surround - cone devoloped in house by us - 150 w model id like to normally demo above 250 w but the enclosure will get larger and heavier for me to lug around , and 5 inches fullranges as per my full range specs - 2 per sat and a cone tweeter
the electronics are to match
the costs involved will be of making the system going to bombay from cal staying and coming back which will be roughly rs 40000/ about 900 usd - which i will be taking to clear my name
by the end of this month .
from henceforth diy audio please do not put me through so much trouble and spoil my company name even before i have started properly
as for your interest in the audio scene in india here is an overview from a guy who is well versed with whats available at how much price more or less all over the world - how ?
these are the places i have visited (oh yeah i think i should scan the visas to prove it ! )
us - (east) tampa and fernandina beach (west) , americas - panama , venezuala , africa west coast , cotonou , abidjan , gunea , gunea bissau , nigeria , africa - south , south africa - durban , europe - uk all over , germany bremen , italy - fumicino rome and trieste , greece pireaus athens , turkey istanbul , ukraine - odessa , middle east - dubai , pakistan karachi , china - guangzhou , 5 months stay , singapore , malaysia lumut , korea pohang pusan , philpines , japan yokohama kobe , australia melbourne - of the plaes of interest been to egypt and all too
i have auditioned and bought for other colleagues - the following , duntech , polk , monitor , mission , bose (the least impressive) and b&w , heard most of the leading brands , been totally in and out of night clubs and - pro audio in enclosed areas
have worked on - turbo sound drivers and audtioned quad , extensively in uk - stayed there for an year doing a course (i am a mate in merchant navy)
this is what i have to say with reference to audio - keeping aside pro audio , accuracy phase and time responce (tannoy)
we can match more or less the sound of all normal application hi - fi units at a fraction of the price here in india ,
cannot match b&w duntech quite a few german brands and the like why ?
we dont or i / -- and i guess most others in india dont have the test equipments available to the researchers in us / uk australia and germany japan
the equipments are available as import and there is bruel & kjare (spelling) in india but they are very expensive - one analyser system and a laser pick - up
basic version costs 10,000 euro (dear diy this is not to mention t/s parameters these are to measure the parameters important to transducer design engineers) and thats not even bruel
its like asking to remove a malignant tumour with chisels without these equipments
and these are expensive _ more or less like a wto topic why is indian tea and brazillian cofee expected to get cheaper every year by the west when the technology from the west gets more expensive the coming year
then we have to consider people's spending techniques if you ve made a sort of a expensive system good enough to sound like the hi - fi i have heard outside india (though at a fraction of the cost)
- the customer says this is good but if i have to go in for an expensive system ill put even more money and buy bose , bose ???????
suranjan
CLEARANCE OF NAME
Thanks for the input from abroad , and the advise of distributing samples , but i think i have to modify the suggestion or i may find more people criticizing me , and me distributing further samples - therefore i have dicided that -
I will construct a powered subwoofer using my driver and a pair of sats - using my fullranges and tweeters
take them all down to bombay to - Navin (who seems to me a level and a nutral person) , meet him to prove i actually exisist , i come from a family who have been in our freedom struggle and beyond i ll take along my passport and family tree to prove my existance ( for the benefit of people like peterpan ) and
demo him my drivers , since good drivers are electronics dependant (i have faced a lot of people talking of distortion coming from their home brew amps and blaming my speakers / which are accurate enough to bring out the distortion when compiared to other drivers they were using before - and ive had to lug my scope , signal generator etc to prove the distortion is from the amps )
therefore i will be construting my own sub amp and sat amp c/o my own circuit and pcb design / also it will prove my knowledge in audio electronics
I have lugged items to bombay before and the railway police are like hawks to make money on electronic goods coming in , i will leave it in the cloak counter , the day navin is free (mind it when he is free not the day to my liking ) to retrive the spks to test them and also answear any question he would like to ask me
i will be making a 12 inch non press paper cone with a natural rubber - high loss surround - cone devoloped in house by us - 150 w model id like to normally demo above 250 w but the enclosure will get larger and heavier for me to lug around , and 5 inches fullranges as per my full range specs - 2 per sat and a cone tweeter
the electronics are to match
the costs involved will be of making the system going to bombay from cal staying and coming back which will be roughly rs 40000/ about 900 usd - which i will be taking to clear my name
by the end of this month .
from henceforth diy audio please do not put me through so much trouble and spoil my company name even before i have started properly
as for your interest in the audio scene in india here is an overview from a guy who is well versed with whats available at how much price more or less all over the world - how ?
these are the places i have visited (oh yeah i think i should scan the visas to prove it ! )
us - (east) tampa and fernandina beach (west) , americas - panama , venezuala , africa west coast , cotonou , abidjan , gunea , gunea bissau , nigeria , africa - south , south africa - durban , europe - uk all over , germany bremen , italy - fumicino rome and trieste , greece pireaus athens , turkey istanbul , ukraine - odessa , middle east - dubai , pakistan karachi , china - guangzhou , 5 months stay , singapore , malaysia lumut , korea pohang pusan , philpines , japan yokohama kobe , australia melbourne - of the plaes of interest been to egypt and all too
i have auditioned and bought for other colleagues - the following , duntech , polk , monitor , mission , bose (the least impressive) and b&w , heard most of the leading brands , been totally in and out of night clubs and - pro audio in enclosed areas
have worked on - turbo sound drivers and audtioned quad , extensively in uk - stayed there for an year doing a course (i am a mate in merchant navy)
this is what i have to say with reference to audio - keeping aside pro audio , accuracy phase and time responce (tannoy)
we can match more or less the sound of all normal application hi - fi units at a fraction of the price here in india ,
cannot match b&w duntech quite a few german brands and the like why ?
we dont or i / -- and i guess most others in india dont have the test equipments available to the researchers in us / uk australia and germany japan
the equipments are available as import and there is bruel & kjare (spelling) in india but they are very expensive - one analyser system and a laser pick - up
basic version costs 10,000 euro (dear diy this is not to mention t/s parameters these are to measure the parameters important to transducer design engineers) and thats not even bruel
its like asking to remove a malignant tumour with chisels without these equipments
and these are expensive _ more or less like a wto topic why is indian tea and brazillian cofee expected to get cheaper every year by the west when the technology from the west gets more expensive the coming year
then we have to consider people's spending techniques if you ve made a sort of a expensive system good enough to sound like the hi - fi i have heard outside india (though at a fraction of the cost)
- the customer says this is good but if i have to go in for an expensive system ill put even more money and buy bose , bose ???????
suranjan
WHY I DO NOT HAVE SAMPLES ONLY LOOSE PARTS
WHY I DO NOT HAVE SAMPLES ONLY LOOSE PARTS
everyone has thier own approaches and mine has devoloped over time to this ,
i work with manufactureres ,
therefore most importantly i have to take into consideration their drive electronics
then their own specifications right from cone type looks and cost ratio
taking these into consideration i make samples - when approved i commence supply in 50 s to 100 s - and that specific driver is supplied to that manufacturer only
of course i end up with a lot of free consultation and designing - improving their electronics amp tone control ets including pcb design and cabinet manufacture
i am geared for quantity orders various types of cones devoloped in bulk by us for different applications , i do my own surround moulding as per suspension linearity requirements , am well versed with plastic , rubber and foam moulds , (and can be consulted for plastic moulding)
in moulding every thing is in bulk
cones too are made in moulds therefore each type is in bulk so are spiders
suranjan
WHY I DO NOT HAVE SAMPLES ONLY LOOSE PARTS
everyone has thier own approaches and mine has devoloped over time to this ,
i work with manufactureres ,
therefore most importantly i have to take into consideration their drive electronics
then their own specifications right from cone type looks and cost ratio
taking these into consideration i make samples - when approved i commence supply in 50 s to 100 s - and that specific driver is supplied to that manufacturer only
of course i end up with a lot of free consultation and designing - improving their electronics amp tone control ets including pcb design and cabinet manufacture
i am geared for quantity orders various types of cones devoloped in bulk by us for different applications , i do my own surround moulding as per suspension linearity requirements , am well versed with plastic , rubber and foam moulds , (and can be consulted for plastic moulding)
in moulding every thing is in bulk
cones too are made in moulds therefore each type is in bulk so are spiders
suranjan
WHY I DO NOT HAVE T/S PARAMETERS
WHY I DO NOT HAVE T/S PARAMETERS
when i am sailing that leaves viki my partner then his jobs will be
he will look after the manufacturing think about payments - busness ,
devolop moulds , cones , surround , spiders
devolop pcb s and electronics for our customers who are actually paying for our drivers
, viki is married and has a baby - look after family ,
and pull out the company from the red most of the time due to our over expenditure in devolopment and technology
me appear exams clear gallavant find out what is happening all over india whats cheap where
involved in heavy duty sound engineering in discs , solve listening fatigue problems in enclosed areas , very large scale sound reinforcement is the exact line of my interest and i keep my self occupied in such studies
i have not watched a movie in months
my teenage sweetheart has married some one else due to all this (though i am a 2 nd mate , cleared my mates in the merchant navy sailing on tankers)
come on give us a break
i dont have the time for t/s parameters - i am not saying they are important - they very much are
but
i am not making the final enclosure and
driver parameters which are of interest to me are
u - voltage at terminal
i - electrical input current
x - voice coil displacement
v - voice coil velocity
P - electrical input power
Fm(x,i) - reluctance force
TV - voice coil temperature
TA - ambient temperature
TM - temperature of magnet structure
RE(TV) - electric DC resistance depending on voice coil temperature
LE(x), L2(x), R2(x) - lumped elements to describe voice coil impedance
b(x) - electrodynamic coupling factor (effective Bl product)
CMS(x) - mechanical compliance of driver suspension
MMS - moving mass including air load
RMS - resistance representing mechanical and acoustical losses
CTV - thermal capacitance of voice coil
RTV - thermal resistance of path from coil to magnet structure
RTM - thermal resistance of magnet structure to ambient air
CTM - thermal capacitance of magnet structure
and measuring these and solving driver distortion problems is more imoprtant to me
my standard of t/s parameters measurement cannot depend on mls software - there are lot of faults , t/s parameters change with excursion one multiple factor of t/s parameters vas changes so does a few more
the aim of a transducer design engineers are to minmise these changes
such measurements require laser vibrometers cost s minimum 4000/ euros where will i get that kind of money from
we have set all this up on our own - viki yet got rs 10000 to start of i didnt get that much , my grandmom payd for a multimeter costing rs 350 / today i use only - Avometer original UK not the motwane copy cost rs 28,000 minimum if you can get one _ i know the difference the circuit the quality of the current transformer etc , and i have 3 of these
i have even seen loudspeaker lab but not satisfied
as when i will specify t/s parameters i will do so in a chart with excursions and the change per excursion
till then i have all the calculations with me using analog devices and i am willing to lend my scope , signal generator , spl meter , mili volt meter , mili amps meter and the rest to any one in calcutta interested in calculating them _
WHY I DO NOT HAVE T/S PARAMETERS
when i am sailing that leaves viki my partner then his jobs will be
he will look after the manufacturing think about payments - busness ,
devolop moulds , cones , surround , spiders
devolop pcb s and electronics for our customers who are actually paying for our drivers
, viki is married and has a baby - look after family ,
and pull out the company from the red most of the time due to our over expenditure in devolopment and technology
me appear exams clear gallavant find out what is happening all over india whats cheap where
involved in heavy duty sound engineering in discs , solve listening fatigue problems in enclosed areas , very large scale sound reinforcement is the exact line of my interest and i keep my self occupied in such studies
i have not watched a movie in months
my teenage sweetheart has married some one else due to all this (though i am a 2 nd mate , cleared my mates in the merchant navy sailing on tankers)
come on give us a break
i dont have the time for t/s parameters - i am not saying they are important - they very much are
but
i am not making the final enclosure and
driver parameters which are of interest to me are
u - voltage at terminal
i - electrical input current
x - voice coil displacement
v - voice coil velocity
P - electrical input power
Fm(x,i) - reluctance force
TV - voice coil temperature
TA - ambient temperature
TM - temperature of magnet structure
RE(TV) - electric DC resistance depending on voice coil temperature
LE(x), L2(x), R2(x) - lumped elements to describe voice coil impedance
b(x) - electrodynamic coupling factor (effective Bl product)
CMS(x) - mechanical compliance of driver suspension
MMS - moving mass including air load
RMS - resistance representing mechanical and acoustical losses
CTV - thermal capacitance of voice coil
RTV - thermal resistance of path from coil to magnet structure
RTM - thermal resistance of magnet structure to ambient air
CTM - thermal capacitance of magnet structure
and measuring these and solving driver distortion problems is more imoprtant to me
my standard of t/s parameters measurement cannot depend on mls software - there are lot of faults , t/s parameters change with excursion one multiple factor of t/s parameters vas changes so does a few more
the aim of a transducer design engineers are to minmise these changes
such measurements require laser vibrometers cost s minimum 4000/ euros where will i get that kind of money from
we have set all this up on our own - viki yet got rs 10000 to start of i didnt get that much , my grandmom payd for a multimeter costing rs 350 / today i use only - Avometer original UK not the motwane copy cost rs 28,000 minimum if you can get one _ i know the difference the circuit the quality of the current transformer etc , and i have 3 of these
i have even seen loudspeaker lab but not satisfied
as when i will specify t/s parameters i will do so in a chart with excursions and the change per excursion
till then i have all the calculations with me using analog devices and i am willing to lend my scope , signal generator , spl meter , mili volt meter , mili amps meter and the rest to any one in calcutta interested in calculating them _
I agree, but...
Which was really my whole point anyway. We can ask for data; it is up to him to supply it. When he shows reticence, there usually isn't much point insisting. In my private conversation with him he has revealed his fears, and if he chooses to run the business on the wieght of those fears, well, it is none of our business.
We had a cordial discussion when he expressed the inability to provide me with the kind of drivers I was looking for, and that was that. To be honest with you I get the idea his main focus is high-power woofers and little else. He's thin on his offerings for mid-high- and full-range drivers, so I have lost interest in any transactions with Hunter, or indeed, the hope that small full range magnetically shielded drivers will ever be available in India for some time, at least to the DIY community.
I just feel there is no point in insisting he part with data. We are all mature enough to know that we will give our custom to those with whom we feel comfortable. If the data is not given, and we are not comfortable with that fact, we should walk away. After all, it is only business!! There's little need to get all uppity and huffed up about it.
After all, we have all lived in the time where test drives were unheard of and there were waiting times like 6 months + to get a car. Business has changed since then, and how! Yet one cannot force a business or indeed an individual to change habits, customs and fears - except by not giving it business. That is still the saddest part of this whole episode.
I also feel that this set of posts has no place in this forum, and should be rightfully moved to the thread which is present under the trading post forum. This is after all, specific feedback on a trader... Maybe a mod would oblige, just that the effort of sifting through so many posts to weed out these ones is quite a big one.
tcpip said:
Which was really my whole point anyway. We can ask for data; it is up to him to supply it. When he shows reticence, there usually isn't much point insisting. In my private conversation with him he has revealed his fears, and if he chooses to run the business on the wieght of those fears, well, it is none of our business.
We had a cordial discussion when he expressed the inability to provide me with the kind of drivers I was looking for, and that was that. To be honest with you I get the idea his main focus is high-power woofers and little else. He's thin on his offerings for mid-high- and full-range drivers, so I have lost interest in any transactions with Hunter, or indeed, the hope that small full range magnetically shielded drivers will ever be available in India for some time, at least to the DIY community.
I just feel there is no point in insisting he part with data. We are all mature enough to know that we will give our custom to those with whom we feel comfortable. If the data is not given, and we are not comfortable with that fact, we should walk away. After all, it is only business!! There's little need to get all uppity and huffed up about it.
After all, we have all lived in the time where test drives were unheard of and there were waiting times like 6 months + to get a car. Business has changed since then, and how! Yet one cannot force a business or indeed an individual to change habits, customs and fears - except by not giving it business. That is still the saddest part of this whole episode.
I also feel that this set of posts has no place in this forum, and should be rightfully moved to the thread which is present under the trading post forum. This is after all, specific feedback on a trader... Maybe a mod would oblige, just that the effort of sifting through so many posts to weed out these ones is quite a big one.
WHY I DONT HAVE A WEBSITE
WHY I DONT HAVE A WEBSITE
Viki my partner is not net savvy and i envy him as i have to go to bombay due to all this and type to lengths
then , i have to employ an educated person to check mails and follow up orders ,
host the web site , construct it
pack and mail individual orders
looking at an expensive situation , will we add this to the driver sale over the net costs ? then the drivers will be expensive and if there are no orders or the orders are too few - who will pay for all this ?
i cannot dilute this cost to a customer who has not asked for a website and takes a minimum of 200 spk per month dedicatedly
(when i employ a person for the net - since this person will not be looking after the bulk manufacturing Viki will be it will be very difficult to process the small quantities with the bulk manufacturing , with me here - this problem will not arise or if Viki was net savvy then it would not have posed to be a problem )
i dont want to have a situation where a eager customer is kept waiting
till then with me here , i can follow up orders through emails
i will have a web site when i get financial help - with being in india , banks - need a lot of blessing and luck
till then i can advise that drivers need not be smuggled order directly from parts express and such by the click of a mouse through their website , pay the shipping costs and they will deliver it to you home , need not go hunting ?
post / mail me 100 such orders from the diy audio community in india and i will have a web site
till then i am looking forward to a few legal / police complaints (if the complaints are justified i am sure legal action can be taken ) -of not me being so comfortably entertaining
with a sound proofed - accoustically set up demo room
the amps , speakers with all types of enclosure design , just in 8 inch 28 models means 28 enclosures all in all including 15 inches may be 100 enclosures
where is the investment of space going to come from /
100 s of drivers with specs , and power test results
insuring all people reach me safely
and then following up with a website and home delivery service
great !
suranjan
WHY I DONT HAVE A WEBSITE
Viki my partner is not net savvy and i envy him as i have to go to bombay due to all this and type to lengths
then , i have to employ an educated person to check mails and follow up orders ,
host the web site , construct it
pack and mail individual orders
looking at an expensive situation , will we add this to the driver sale over the net costs ? then the drivers will be expensive and if there are no orders or the orders are too few - who will pay for all this ?
i cannot dilute this cost to a customer who has not asked for a website and takes a minimum of 200 spk per month dedicatedly
(when i employ a person for the net - since this person will not be looking after the bulk manufacturing Viki will be it will be very difficult to process the small quantities with the bulk manufacturing , with me here - this problem will not arise or if Viki was net savvy then it would not have posed to be a problem )
i dont want to have a situation where a eager customer is kept waiting
till then with me here , i can follow up orders through emails
i will have a web site when i get financial help - with being in india , banks - need a lot of blessing and luck
till then i can advise that drivers need not be smuggled order directly from parts express and such by the click of a mouse through their website , pay the shipping costs and they will deliver it to you home , need not go hunting ?
post / mail me 100 such orders from the diy audio community in india and i will have a web site
till then i am looking forward to a few legal / police complaints (if the complaints are justified i am sure legal action can be taken ) -of not me being so comfortably entertaining
with a sound proofed - accoustically set up demo room
the amps , speakers with all types of enclosure design , just in 8 inch 28 models means 28 enclosures all in all including 15 inches may be 100 enclosures
where is the investment of space going to come from /
100 s of drivers with specs , and power test results
insuring all people reach me safely
and then following up with a website and home delivery service
great !
suranjan
hi
sangram
order a free sample (in the 130 rs model range it exists in 8 inches too ) collect it , or pay for the postage only and test it any way you like ,
instead how can i demo it for you to how you want it , if i do all that i rather complete the entire system and sell it as a whole and make a larger profit and a good brand name
swanky showroom
i can and will do what is possible in reality by me i cant be as good as you guys or everyone else
i am just one man - n - thats what ill ever be
i cant be everything you wanted from me - jon bon jovi
suranjan
sangram
order a free sample (in the 130 rs model range it exists in 8 inches too ) collect it , or pay for the postage only and test it any way you like ,
instead how can i demo it for you to how you want it , if i do all that i rather complete the entire system and sell it as a whole and make a larger profit and a good brand name
swanky showroom
i can and will do what is possible in reality by me i cant be as good as you guys or everyone else
i am just one man - n - thats what ill ever be
i cant be everything you wanted from me - jon bon jovi
suranjan
Hunting Hunter audio
I thought I should step in before this topic becomes a national tragedy.
At the outset let me clarify that I was the author of the 'infamous' report, poor Ashok (Corbato) is getting all the flack, he just had his ears roasted while he waited for Hunter to come to the telephone, and he has been punished for that.
When I read the first post of Hunter audio, I was very excited, I immediately called up Ashok (Corbato) in Jamshedpur and asked him to see them in his next visit to Cal. We in this forum were struggling to source good drivers in India. The high technical content of the Hunter post impressed me and I thought our search is over.
I did not spring at Hunter's back and say 'boooo' I had made numerous long distance calls prior to my visit to Cal to confirm my appointment on that Tuesday afternoon. I was visiting Cal after 4 years and honestly I was very keen to meet 'The transducer designer from Cal'. I had no intention to copy his designs. If I had to do that I would not have to run over dogs for that.
I wrote exactly what Hunter had told me, if he had given me the slightest hint before I landed in Cal, I would have avoided the torturous balancing act I had to do at the back of the cab to keep it stable on the road. My intention was not to humour any one. I was disappointed that I could not see the drivers.
Please do not hold any grudge against me, I have made friends in this forum, friends who are more knowledgeable, experienced and saner than I am, friends who have risked calling me to their homes, feeding and looking after me, friends who offered to send their car 100Kms to pick me up from the airports/other part of town, friends who I was meeting for the first time. This is the camaraderie we have in DIY audio, and I want to keep it that way.
Hope next time I am in Cal we can laugh over all this over couple of beer, but I would still like to see your raw drivers while I enjoy your sub with 3 batteries.
Angshu (not Ashok!!)
Mark (Variac), fortunately we did not maim/kill any dogs/chiken/cows/ buffalos during my quest to track down Hunter Audio, but I assure you the cab driver made honest attempts chasing them all around the countryside totally oblivion that he had a terrified passenger holding on to his dear life at the back seat.
I thought I should step in before this topic becomes a national tragedy.
At the outset let me clarify that I was the author of the 'infamous' report, poor Ashok (Corbato) is getting all the flack, he just had his ears roasted while he waited for Hunter to come to the telephone, and he has been punished for that.
When I read the first post of Hunter audio, I was very excited, I immediately called up Ashok (Corbato) in Jamshedpur and asked him to see them in his next visit to Cal. We in this forum were struggling to source good drivers in India. The high technical content of the Hunter post impressed me and I thought our search is over.
I did not spring at Hunter's back and say 'boooo' I had made numerous long distance calls prior to my visit to Cal to confirm my appointment on that Tuesday afternoon. I was visiting Cal after 4 years and honestly I was very keen to meet 'The transducer designer from Cal'. I had no intention to copy his designs. If I had to do that I would not have to run over dogs for that.
I wrote exactly what Hunter had told me, if he had given me the slightest hint before I landed in Cal, I would have avoided the torturous balancing act I had to do at the back of the cab to keep it stable on the road. My intention was not to humour any one. I was disappointed that I could not see the drivers.
Please do not hold any grudge against me, I have made friends in this forum, friends who are more knowledgeable, experienced and saner than I am, friends who have risked calling me to their homes, feeding and looking after me, friends who offered to send their car 100Kms to pick me up from the airports/other part of town, friends who I was meeting for the first time. This is the camaraderie we have in DIY audio, and I want to keep it that way.
Hope next time I am in Cal we can laugh over all this over couple of beer, but I would still like to see your raw drivers while I enjoy your sub with 3 batteries.
Angshu (not Ashok!!)
Mark (Variac), fortunately we did not maim/kill any dogs/chiken/cows/ buffalos during my quest to track down Hunter Audio, but I assure you the cab driver made honest attempts chasing them all around the countryside totally oblivion that he had a terrified passenger holding on to his dear life at the back seat.
hi
peter pan i have a sweep generator , i dont have a true rms meter as i have other ways ,
you can borrow my sweep generator , scope and other test equipments
but you will have to conduct your tests in your space i cannot provide you any place , semi aenchoic or aenchoic enviorment for testing
all this will come if you can satisfy or impress us with your knowledge in audio
what type / quantity of an order you represent and your infrastructure
in other words if i approach you for sales you ask the questions and i will be bound to answear - i have to prove my technical knowledge in all aspects of audio , which i will attempt to
if you tell me now you can order may be 100 nos of 15 inches / month
otherwise if you come to me and i have not gone to you , speacially with equipments to measure it is not in my openion to take your test instrument use a few of mine and measure my drivers to impress a sale
you come prove yourself + good busness order all help extended
i go to you i prove my self
suranjan
peter pan i have a sweep generator , i dont have a true rms meter as i have other ways ,
you can borrow my sweep generator , scope and other test equipments
but you will have to conduct your tests in your space i cannot provide you any place , semi aenchoic or aenchoic enviorment for testing
all this will come if you can satisfy or impress us with your knowledge in audio
what type / quantity of an order you represent and your infrastructure
in other words if i approach you for sales you ask the questions and i will be bound to answear - i have to prove my technical knowledge in all aspects of audio , which i will attempt to
if you tell me now you can order may be 100 nos of 15 inches / month
otherwise if you come to me and i have not gone to you , speacially with equipments to measure it is not in my openion to take your test instrument use a few of mine and measure my drivers to impress a sale
you come prove yourself + good busness order all help extended
i go to you i prove my self
suranjan
Re: Re: Re: Time warp.
D ward = Breach Candy/Warden Road. Actually presently my mom lives there full time and we visit on alternate weekends. We have moved to Santa Cruz (W) for 2 years so that I can reach the Novitaz office within 45 mins.
if you want an internet connection we'd have to move yourself, the CDs etc... to Charkop-Kandivilli (W). I work there 2 days a week.
what is .ogg? I use a Tungsten T3 as my Mp3 player. Ihave 2 x 256MB cards each of which store about 50 songs. I would love to strch that to 100 songs at the same quality.
sangram said:
D ward = Breach Candy/Warden Road. Actually presently my mom lives there full time and we visit on alternate weekends. We have moved to Santa Cruz (W) for 2 years so that I can reach the Novitaz office within 45 mins.
if you want an internet connection we'd have to move yourself, the CDs etc... to Charkop-Kandivilli (W). I work there 2 days a week.
what is .ogg? I use a Tungsten T3 as my Mp3 player. Ihave 2 x 256MB cards each of which store about 50 songs. I would love to strch that to 100 songs at the same quality.
Suranjan,
I have all faith in you and understand your difficulties. I am not insisting you open a showroom or put up a website. I have no problem with investing and taking risks, but I assure that I have no intention of ever ordering 100, 50 or even ten drivers from you. I am a humble DIYer who needs a system for monitoring his mixes, and rather than an 8" power driver with a monster magnet, all I want is a small pair of nearfield monitors, magnetically shielded, fairly neutral and accurate.
I have seen people using Boltons and Philips and other nameless stuff (I have used about a hundred brands in my 15+ years of tinkering with this stuff), which gives 'excellent bass, treble, and have clear sound', unfortunately they are all heavily colored in their sound, they sound good, no doubt, but there is no way they are flat, or can be, within resonable effort, tailored by enclosure and crossover network, to have a flat response.
Some of the best monitors in the world are not truly flat anyway - even the best Mackies and Dynaudios have dips and peaks in their response. As the cost of monitors go up, the dips and peaks become smaller and less defined, but are there nevertheless.
You say that you do not have T/S due to lack of equipment, and instead concentrate on the final parameters in the box. How do you arrive at enclosure design without T/S parameters? It must be a very interesting exercise on its own. I am not trying for a moment to put you down, but do understand that we are all trying one thing - to get ourselves great sound, at what we hope are reasonable prices. If you feel, and I am sure you do, that you can indeed contribute to this effort, then let's have that statement.
We have bought and used speakers without parameters for a long time (not recently, though). I am still willing to take that risk, but I do not want 8", 10", 6" or even 5" speakers. I want a quality 4" or 3" speaker that can go down to about 160-180 Hz and present quality flat response, and are magnetically shileded, and I am prepared to pay for them as well, and not Rs. 130/- either, I want quality stuff - three or four times the price is not a problem (Read: Jordan/Bandor copy)
I will also (obviously) need magnetically shielded sub units to be able to ever use these speakers - shall we say, 8"? And oh, some tweeters as well, also shielded. Two each of the woofers and five tweeters should be good to go. I was paying Alesis about twenty thousand rupees for a pair of studio monitors, I am willing to talk your total cost for building these systems for me, if that is what you would rather want. I visualise a 5.1 and 2.1 capable monitoring system with a subwoofer, able to go from about 30-Hz to the top end, capable of 110-115 dB SPL ( I need sensitive speakers - 93 dB+ only!!). I am positive you know exactly what I am talking about.
We have to talk about a lot of other technical stuff when we get into it, but you have to get the ball rolling. All the best monitors in the world are computer-designed. All. It is much simpler to build a hi-fi speaker. So long as it 'sounds good' it is fine, and as long as it is glamorous and jazzy you can sell lots. Look at B&W, Jamo etc, whose products sound average at best but we think they are the best that sound has to offer - just marketing. Monitors are a different ballgame.
Now, can we talk? aetto senti hoye kono labh nei. Let's talk baebsha!! And I know you are not doing me any favours, I want you to be profitable so you can have continued business and interest in the forums.
Now, will a mod move this, or is it too interesting?
I have all faith in you and understand your difficulties. I am not insisting you open a showroom or put up a website. I have no problem with investing and taking risks, but I assure that I have no intention of ever ordering 100, 50 or even ten drivers from you. I am a humble DIYer who needs a system for monitoring his mixes, and rather than an 8" power driver with a monster magnet, all I want is a small pair of nearfield monitors, magnetically shielded, fairly neutral and accurate.
I have seen people using Boltons and Philips and other nameless stuff (I have used about a hundred brands in my 15+ years of tinkering with this stuff), which gives 'excellent bass, treble, and have clear sound', unfortunately they are all heavily colored in their sound, they sound good, no doubt, but there is no way they are flat, or can be, within resonable effort, tailored by enclosure and crossover network, to have a flat response.
Some of the best monitors in the world are not truly flat anyway - even the best Mackies and Dynaudios have dips and peaks in their response. As the cost of monitors go up, the dips and peaks become smaller and less defined, but are there nevertheless.
You say that you do not have T/S due to lack of equipment, and instead concentrate on the final parameters in the box. How do you arrive at enclosure design without T/S parameters? It must be a very interesting exercise on its own. I am not trying for a moment to put you down, but do understand that we are all trying one thing - to get ourselves great sound, at what we hope are reasonable prices. If you feel, and I am sure you do, that you can indeed contribute to this effort, then let's have that statement.
We have bought and used speakers without parameters for a long time (not recently, though). I am still willing to take that risk, but I do not want 8", 10", 6" or even 5" speakers. I want a quality 4" or 3" speaker that can go down to about 160-180 Hz and present quality flat response, and are magnetically shileded, and I am prepared to pay for them as well, and not Rs. 130/- either, I want quality stuff - three or four times the price is not a problem (Read: Jordan/Bandor copy)
I will also (obviously) need magnetically shielded sub units to be able to ever use these speakers - shall we say, 8"? And oh, some tweeters as well, also shielded. Two each of the woofers and five tweeters should be good to go. I was paying Alesis about twenty thousand rupees for a pair of studio monitors, I am willing to talk your total cost for building these systems for me, if that is what you would rather want. I visualise a 5.1 and 2.1 capable monitoring system with a subwoofer, able to go from about 30-Hz to the top end, capable of 110-115 dB SPL ( I need sensitive speakers - 93 dB+ only!!). I am positive you know exactly what I am talking about.
We have to talk about a lot of other technical stuff when we get into it, but you have to get the ball rolling. All the best monitors in the world are computer-designed. All. It is much simpler to build a hi-fi speaker. So long as it 'sounds good' it is fine, and as long as it is glamorous and jazzy you can sell lots. Look at B&W, Jamo etc, whose products sound average at best but we think they are the best that sound has to offer - just marketing. Monitors are a different ballgame.
Now, can we talk? aetto senti hoye kono labh nei. Let's talk baebsha!! And I know you are not doing me any favours, I want you to be profitable so you can have continued business and interest in the forums.
Now, will a mod move this, or is it too interesting?
Maaan!!! It's tooo interesting. By faaar... 😀sangram said:
Never knew diyaudio could be this much fun. This is almost as good as a college canteen! 😀
Tarun
hunter audio said:
Thanks for putting your faith in me. I dont think I ever doubted your existance. Did I say or imply that? If i did please accept my sincerest appologies. My senility must have got the better of me.
BTW for the 12" woofer how come you prefer high damping surrounds. some elementary listening tests i did using vifa unit (P13, M18) led me to believe that while high damping surrouds give a smoother freq. response it robs the driver of dynamics. again this was a one of test comparing to not so similar drivers. The tweeter was a D27.
before you go through all that trouble let me cheeck and see if we can find a place to put you up so atleast you dont have to bear that expense; and also ask some others here to audition your stuff so you get to demo the stuff so you get a bit more out of your trip.
I think i can ask Sushil Anand of Nova Audio since he works a lot with high end equipment. I know others from the local industry too but they would be your competitors and you might not want them listening in. Shyam Bajaj of Norge and Rajiv D'Souza of Lithos are 2 names that come easiest to mind.
Lastly if/when this works and if/when you do visit and your system delivers what I think/hope it can I think you will not have to carry it back 🙂
sangram said:
Hunter just offered to build a 2.1 system using a 12" woofer, 2 x 5" fullrange/widerange and 2" cone tweeter. while I suspect these sats will be a bit large for my requirement (10-12 liters) I am willing to listen to them. I will ask a friend who is not brand crazy if he'd be willing to buy the system if he finds it to his taste.
BTW, hunter, what would you expect for the 2.1 system described above? No hurry. let me know when you have the time. the sizes of the boxes (I assume there will be 3) would also be welcome so my friend get's his wife's permission. His wife is as fussy as mine (given that they are best friends I am not surprised).
I have been looking at 4" units from Tangband like the W4-930, 927, 657, 655, Jordan JX92, Fostex 103 and 108N, and Visaton http://www.visaton.de/english/chassis.htm, etc.....
BTW the Fostex 108 is found is the woofer section but i guess it can be used to 5k. it has one major drawback in that it's sens is only 86db. The 103 having a sens of 89sb has a Xmax of only 0.35mm.
dear angshudas
tel companys can give incoming call print outs , there were no numerous calls a couple i think 2 , i didnt ask for a call back the first time it was volunteered
i made sure i asked if you were coming only to visit me , but you had said that you have other work and would like to punch this in
otherwise i would have called you up
id like to make up on the phone bill cost give me your no ill talk to you or if you want have some one speak to you for the duration youve spoken to me
clear this up face to face man !
i didnt send a formal invitation that i should take the flack of slow traffic , thank god no accidents were met with on the way as i would be responsible for that too
incoming call s are allowed by the telephone company to be picked up by family members , and if there are babies and children around it may be noisy _ some of us are indians here dont have preteces of a shoo shaa back ground , with a 700 sq ft airconditioned living room and a 4 inch thick carpet to abssorb sound thick walls and a classy neighbourhood we dont have any of these
best would be to call from 1200 hrs to 1630 hrs as i have no use of a tel no in my factory these are home nos , reliance is viki s home no . where the workshop is
suranjan
or txt me your no
tel companys can give incoming call print outs , there were no numerous calls a couple i think 2 , i didnt ask for a call back the first time it was volunteered
i made sure i asked if you were coming only to visit me , but you had said that you have other work and would like to punch this in
otherwise i would have called you up
id like to make up on the phone bill cost give me your no ill talk to you or if you want have some one speak to you for the duration youve spoken to me
clear this up face to face man !
i didnt send a formal invitation that i should take the flack of slow traffic , thank god no accidents were met with on the way as i would be responsible for that too
incoming call s are allowed by the telephone company to be picked up by family members , and if there are babies and children around it may be noisy _ some of us are indians here dont have preteces of a shoo shaa back ground , with a 700 sq ft airconditioned living room and a 4 inch thick carpet to abssorb sound thick walls and a classy neighbourhood we dont have any of these
best would be to call from 1200 hrs to 1630 hrs as i have no use of a tel no in my factory these are home nos , reliance is viki s home no . where the workshop is
suranjan
or txt me your no
hi
navin
check it out , call all the whiz kids to question my knowledge
thanks for the offer but i wont sell it this time as -
check out the reason
then others will criticise me and i will be going back and forth with complete systems - selling them
the reason i purposely chose dual 5 inch full ranges , as i am aware of your preferance of a 6 inch full range
suranjan
navin
check it out , call all the whiz kids to question my knowledge
thanks for the offer but i wont sell it this time as -
check out the reason
then others will criticise me and i will be going back and forth with complete systems - selling them
the reason i purposely chose dual 5 inch full ranges , as i am aware of your preferance of a 6 inch full range
suranjan
the test with a catch
With a catch like that you're scaring all of us into believing that we can never test your drivers (aka subs), at least not without an irrevocable pre-test order. I had plans for various tests with your speakers like the way I've done with my Scorpions and Black Widows(I only have one of each). Most of all I wanted BW and Scorp 'ditto' replicas in the tens if not hundreds as I am into live sound reinforcement here.
Word is out in the north east about your drivers... in lieu of the absence of a website, I have tried every mode of communication to reach out to those interested here, so that a few techno geeks can accompany me as like I've mentioned earlier, I am just a novice at this. However with a hesitant and deterring tone in your last posting that goes :-
"if you tell me now you can order may be 100 nos of 15 inches / month"
I am not so sure anymore and so are my other friends here who were instantly hyped after i shoed them your postings. One of them even told me he was so proud about the fact that you have even tried at all in competing with the larger more established Incs at the global level. Some of my more patriotic audio DIY friends have even mentioned about how proud they are to be Indian after I let them view your postings on my PC.
I was about to suggest a 500W close to flat response amp for the test with the least THD, however I see that as futile now, given your pre-conditions.
I think its time to call a spade, a spade and I agree 100% with Sangram when he says:-
"I just feel there is no point in insisting he part with data. We are all mature enough to know that we will give our custom to those with whom we feel comfortable. If the data is not given, and we are not comfortable with that fact, we should walk away. "
The Emperor indeed has no clothes. I am so disappointed now and very let down.
Amen to that!
With a catch like that you're scaring all of us into believing that we can never test your drivers (aka subs), at least not without an irrevocable pre-test order. I had plans for various tests with your speakers like the way I've done with my Scorpions and Black Widows(I only have one of each). Most of all I wanted BW and Scorp 'ditto' replicas in the tens if not hundreds as I am into live sound reinforcement here.
Word is out in the north east about your drivers... in lieu of the absence of a website, I have tried every mode of communication to reach out to those interested here, so that a few techno geeks can accompany me as like I've mentioned earlier, I am just a novice at this. However with a hesitant and deterring tone in your last posting that goes :-
"if you tell me now you can order may be 100 nos of 15 inches / month"
I am not so sure anymore and so are my other friends here who were instantly hyped after i shoed them your postings. One of them even told me he was so proud about the fact that you have even tried at all in competing with the larger more established Incs at the global level. Some of my more patriotic audio DIY friends have even mentioned about how proud they are to be Indian after I let them view your postings on my PC.
I was about to suggest a 500W close to flat response amp for the test with the least THD, however I see that as futile now, given your pre-conditions.
I think its time to call a spade, a spade and I agree 100% with Sangram when he says:-
"I just feel there is no point in insisting he part with data. We are all mature enough to know that we will give our custom to those with whom we feel comfortable. If the data is not given, and we are not comfortable with that fact, we should walk away. "
The Emperor indeed has no clothes. I am so disappointed now and very let down.
Amen to that!
dear sangram
i have the equipment to calculate basic t/s parameters , before softwares it used to be done by analogue instruments and u can see ive mentioned ill lend them and the calculation formulas but i dont have the time
i am not a final product manufacturer , therefore interested in driver parameters and not t/s parameters that much , since i make drivers only
the t/s parameter shift due to excursion and minimising this effect is of interest to me but i need 4000 euros of instruments to measure the shift in t/s parameters 1 euro = 57 rs as of now
calculate the ts parameters of a 6 inch philips woofer (released around 95 , 96 ish not in production now ) it sounds very good for the price in the accurate enclosure , you may need a notch filter
this would be a good monitor with whats available (hopefully not yety become what was available and you can locate a un sold philips 6 inch )
suranjan
i have the equipment to calculate basic t/s parameters , before softwares it used to be done by analogue instruments and u can see ive mentioned ill lend them and the calculation formulas but i dont have the time
i am not a final product manufacturer , therefore interested in driver parameters and not t/s parameters that much , since i make drivers only
the t/s parameter shift due to excursion and minimising this effect is of interest to me but i need 4000 euros of instruments to measure the shift in t/s parameters 1 euro = 57 rs as of now
calculate the ts parameters of a 6 inch philips woofer (released around 95 , 96 ish not in production now ) it sounds very good for the price in the accurate enclosure , you may need a notch filter
this would be a good monitor with whats available (hopefully not yety become what was available and you can locate a un sold philips 6 inch )
suranjan
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