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I think is wonderfull perceive differences and similarities

And we can see everywhere.

Brazilian people no clearly racist, but there are some differences that you find in results.

How many black people in University, in comand areas, in Government, in income and other things.

We are all mixed, Indians, Portuguese, Italian,French,American,Spanish, Holland,Danish,English,Japanese,Poland and German

All those with big influences... Portuguese and Indians and black people mixing the biggest amount... second Italian, third Holland, fourth French.... we have German cities where people speak German all the time, and also portuguese when they want... we stay very confortable one each other.... people are studying genetics...here the results.

What is "bc" that is turning into Japanese.

I be glad to know something more from other countries... thats very good.

Je vous compris très bien monsieur.

Carlos
 
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I don't think it was all that big of a publicity campaign. I think there was reality behind it.

Disney would not distribute the flick, very probably because Disney World has some sweetheart deals in place with the state of Florida, who's governor is Jeb Bush.

So Moore hollered about it a little bit. And people felt like a politician shouldn't decide or affect what they should or shouldn't see. And it became something of a cause.

As it turns out, a distributor already has been found, and it should start hitting the theaters this month, I believe.
 
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kelticwizard said:
Disney would not distribute the flick, very probably because Disney World has some sweetheart deals in place with the state of Florida, who's governor is Jeb Bush.
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if you had put a little bit more time into you and do some investigation, you would have found, within 10 minutes, that you couldn't have been further away from the truth.

for your benefit, don't speculate, but investigage.
 
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so......after several thousand posts.....has anybody established whay the Bush REALLY invaded Iraq???
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I have not seen farenheit 9/11, but i think people need to consider america's past with iraq... and look at where they know what they know from...

problem is the so called 'information age' we live in... most people source their information from a limited number, and generally comercial sources, where invisible restrictions on what is told are in place.

media organisations rely on funding from advertisers or wherever to maintain themselves as a profitable business. obviously there is a lot of kissing ***... actually more than you would believe.

This may seem like a paranoid kind of observation, but just watch the news oneday with a semi analytical mind, and you will notice an incredible amount of BS and comercial favouritism...

just last night i watched the news, and they had an item concerning the release of 'super size me'... i will use this as my example as this is a pretty global thing... most people should have heard of this film by now...

now, the main focus of this story on the news was people acusing McDonalds of being guitly for not fighting back, and so therefore maccas now released a multi milion dollar advertising campaign out here in aus to rebutt this... all seems pretty innocent doesn't it? pretty objective right??? yeah, maybe... until you analyse what you've just seen a little more closely.

firstly, consider something about the comercial nature of most media organisations... they must entertain their viewers, and they must be safe comercialy, as any 'defamation' of a corporation by a network is obviously going to result in a loss of business from them... i mean, would you find some guy tryin to pimp a hooker off at a church??? no, of course not...

so these organisations are in a difficult position... how can they entertain without offending advertisers... surely a story telling about McDonalds making a last final effort to save it's public image is defaming to them, isn't it???

until you consider 'framing'... where we crop a picture, and how we crop it can change our perspective quite dramatically... the way the majority of what you view through the media is framed in a way that will appear objective, but when analysed is very biased...

let's think about gut reactions for a start... if i leave my analytical mind behind when thinking about this news item, i am left with the overall feeling, ok, maccas might look like they're all bad, but now i'm 'informed', they are actually not that bad... why??? let's analyse...

like i said, main focus of the story, maccas advertising to make itself look good... and like i said, looks like maccas is pretty desperate... but, what are we shown in this item... well, there is a LOT of stuff from an interview with their aussie manager/advertising director or whatever he was, i didn't take note... mostly saying stuff like "well, people think that if they go to maccas they have to eat unhealthy food, but we actually have quite a large range of heathy options..." and so on, and we hear that maccas is making this advert campaign to defend themselves because people acuse them of feeling guilty, and yeah, this looks desperate but then we hear "people call us guilty for not saying anything, but it's actually quite the oposite, we didn't feel the need to say anything because we're not feeling guilty..."

still seems pretty objective so far doesn't it??? what about what we hear from the other side of the story??? well, we see Morgan Spurlock stuffing a big mac into his face, and then we also later see him comenting on the big mac he is about to eat, and how it's the first time he's had one that looks like they do on the adds. This paints the doco in a kind of not so credible kind of way, as there is nothing inteligent presented from morgan's side... just a couple of grabs from the film... about 7 secs worth in total... how do they find this 7 seconds from a full feature length film??? well, it's all chosen for a reason... does a man comenting on what his big mac looks like sound like a man making a valuable point... or just some wacko who's made another pointless film? i'm going with the last option...

so far, we're starting to see a little bit of a bias aren't we... and this is simply in what is being presented... now, let's think about the entertainment media must provide to sustain it's viewers atention... the story must be told in an interesting way... how do we get engaement in media??? it's called 'suspension of disbelief'... loose this suspension of disbelief, and you loose engagement... baisically, a well told story can make you believe anything... when you go and see a movie, you are engaged, and at the time, it is like you are almost a part of the story... you see a horror movie, and you feel fear... you're not a passive viewer, you are engaged, and engrosed in the movie, almost as if you're part of it.... this is because the film maker has bought you to a point where your disbelief is suspended... ok, now, you can walk out of a movie and convince yourself that what you saw wasn't real as it was fiction... but what about news... the majority of people see this as a credible source of information... if they can get you to suspend your disbelief, you will believe all of what you hear as truth...

now, i'll stop my analysis there, as i've made enough of a point without going on cuz i'm starting to ramble... but, lets use what i've said so far and draw a conclusion on comercial media???

on one hand, you have the advertisers to please... that means only certain things can be shown... seccondly, you have consumers to please who are all wanting to be informed at the same time... so what happens??? they are lead to believe they are being informed... which to a certain extent is true... but if you consider the restrictions put on the information, you can see where a bias could apear from... especially when you consider that the 'facts' must be woven into an engaging story...

think about the way you would tell a story... would you tell it to your parents the same way you'd tell it to your friends??? no... think of how many ways you can twist that story... how you can twist the truth, so you are still telling 'facts', but these facts have been manipulated in such a way as to provide a bias...

so... what does this have to do with war... in this case iraq??? well, consider... what i chose to point out then is one seemingly straight forward story, and how it is twisted... i bet if i wanted i could write an article making McDonalds look bad in light of their actions... it's all about what i choose to tell, and how i tell it.

so, when we have a war, we have an issue that is far from straight forward... there is a HUGE number of considerations that must be made when analysing what is really hapening... but what we see through the media is a highly simplified story... they are there to entertain first and foremost... not to bore their viewer with facts... they show a couple of 'facts', and put it in a story.

so what you see/have seen about what is hapening in Iraq, for the most part is from one source.. the media... think about some of the things you hear... like america only wants to invade iraq for the oil... when considered in a media context, and only a media context, you can analyse it is being a little bit credible, but not having much to base it on....

how many people actualy know where this whole theory came from??? not many that i know... anyway...

it came from the economic sanctions america placed on iraq... firstly, who knows that these sanctions have been the cause of close to half a million deaths in iraq??? furthermore, who knows the real reasons for these sanctions...? most people will say 'to stop sadaam making some hypothetical weapon of mass destruction'... and fair enough, this is what we're told... but lets think about what these sanctions imply...

by imposing these sanctions on iraq, iraq no longer has the economic ability to compete with oil prices from Saudi Arabia... this is all so Saudi oil prices remain unchallanged... now why would america concern itself with this??? well, saudi arabia is for a start americas strongest middle eastern ally next to Israel, and, is also america's biggest arms customer.

Instead we are told a simple version of the doin it for the oil theory, and don't hear all the story... why??? well, do people want to sit through something tedious like that??? what i gave you was a highly simplified version, and there's already too much there for a news item...

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So, we don't hear everything... who knows how many iraqi's have been killed so far in this war??? well, like i said, who knows???? on the other hand, who knows how many americans have been killed... probably the majority of people have a rough idea... what about the gulf war??? who knows aproximately 1/4 million iraqi's were killed in this war??? even a war over a decade old and we still have no idea... see, selection of information, and this is still just the most basic of facts...

so, what we are told is never the whole truth... and it's not just comercial media... everyone who tells a story has their own ideas they want to get across, and each person tells the story with a slightly different slant at the least... mostly a considerably different slant... who is right??? well, who knows...

Even Michale moore who has become famous for his numerous theories, and being a defender of the so called truth, telling the people how it really is... he is providing a very one sided view... he has no comercial influence like comercial media, but still has a slant on his stories he tells...

the truth is, unless we dedicated our lives to studying this war, we will never know the truth for sure... even if we studied it, we may still not have all the facts... so what we're seeing in the comercial media is such a small window into it... it is like the equivalient of filling up a bucket from the ocean and making the conclusion, 'what is in my bucket is exactly how the whole ocean is'... and obviously, it's wrong... there are fish out there too big to fit in your bucket, there are fish that could fit in, but you have not picked up, and so on... we see only a tiny picture of what's really going on.

so yeah, that's my big ramble for the night... you wouldn't believe the time of the morning it is i am up too here in aus... no sleep yet... so sorry for my train of thought rambling post, but i hope some of it makes sense... i may come back soon and edit it to make more sense... who knows...

anyway, later
 
#3,080
did they teach composition down under?
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they don't teach us much down under!!! i don't even know what you mean by composition. i know music composition, and i've been taught this cuz i do music as a subject @ school, but i don't think this aplies to my way of saying goodbye in my post.


i'm not gunna edit it i decide, because i read it, and it's atleast cohereent, and even though it leaves a lot of gaps out of what i would want to say, and it rambles waaaaaaayyyy too much, it still makes sense... i think?

if anyone ever wants to know more of what my whole point is there, i will probably sumtime put up a copy of a doco i am making this year as part of my media studies subject i do at school on the internet somewhere... it's about comercial media and the sociocultural effects it has. this is kinda why i have pretty developed ideas about this... i've spent the last 6 months researching and analysing this kind of stuff.



as far as peace goes. i don't think there will ever be peace in the world until it is destroyed. humans are all so different to one another, and we all react and behave differently. obviously some are going to be more extreme in their reactions, and make war. it's kinda like what goes on in this forum sometimes... people don't agree with each other, so they start bickering... i know war is a much more extreme action to take as oposed to calling someone a nasty name, but the principals as to why it starts are the same.

peace man...
 
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