What can we do to Support Peace in our Neighbourhood?
I do not like Saddam Hussein. In fact I dislike the man,
after what he has done to The Khurdish People.
I have had several khurdish refugees as my friends
here in north of Sweden.
They are nice people that have suffered a lot in their
own country. In Russia, Iran and Irak.
But how much I ever dislike the Leader of Irak,
I dislike violence and war EVEN MORE!
By accepting war, you put yourself on the SAME SIDE
as Hitler, Stalin and all who thinks problems
are to be solved with violence, destruction and murder.
In the 60ies, we swedish were deeply involved in protest
against the war and mureder of vietnamies people.
Many americans were too: Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, Pete Seeger ....
Buffy Sainte-Marie wrote "Universial Soldier":
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And without him all this killing can’t go on
He’s the universal soldier
And he really is the blame
But his orders comes from
far away no more.
They come from him.
And you and me.
Oh, brothers can’t you see.
This is not the way we put an end to war
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So it is up to you and me, if war allows to go on ...
What can we do? - Is my voice important?
Can concerning "ordinary persons" change history?
halojoy - thinks so! What do you think and do?
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Consider this text!
This Red Indian Squaw, Buffy Saint-Marie
got some MESSAGES in her songs.
(not all have)
UNIVERSIAL SOLDIER - He really is to blame
I do not like Saddam Hussein. In fact I dislike the man,
after what he has done to The Khurdish People.
I have had several khurdish refugees as my friends
here in north of Sweden.
They are nice people that have suffered a lot in their
own country. In Russia, Iran and Irak.
But how much I ever dislike the Leader of Irak,
I dislike violence and war EVEN MORE!
By accepting war, you put yourself on the SAME SIDE
as Hitler, Stalin and all who thinks problems
are to be solved with violence, destruction and murder.
In the 60ies, we swedish were deeply involved in protest
against the war and mureder of vietnamies people.
Many americans were too: Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, Pete Seeger ....
Buffy Sainte-Marie wrote "Universial Soldier":
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And without him all this killing can’t go on
He’s the universal soldier
And he really is the blame
But his orders comes from
far away no more.
They come from him.
And you and me.
Oh, brothers can’t you see.
This is not the way we put an end to war
---------------------------------------------------------
So it is up to you and me, if war allows to go on ...
What can we do? - Is my voice important?
Can concerning "ordinary persons" change history?
halojoy - thinks so! What do you think and do?
#############################################################
Consider this text!
This Red Indian Squaw, Buffy Saint-Marie
got some MESSAGES in her songs.
(not all have)
UNIVERSIAL SOLDIER - He really is to blame
The best thing we can do to ensure peace is to support the overthrow of dictatorships that bring untold violence and misery to their people. In some cases (and Hitler was an example), not doing anything results in far more violence at the end of the day. There do exist bad guys in the world, but there's never any universally correct set of rules on what to do (if anything) about them.
The decision to whether or not to use force or the threat of force is not always easy and clear cut- in fact, it very rarely is. Reducing it to sloganeering ("I want peace, don't start a war." "It's another Hitler, start a war") is not particularly useful as a substitute for thought and close examination of history.
The decision to whether or not to use force or the threat of force is not always easy and clear cut- in fact, it very rarely is. Reducing it to sloganeering ("I want peace, don't start a war." "It's another Hitler, start a war") is not particularly useful as a substitute for thought and close examination of history.
I once wrote this in LM3886 thread ..
In a LM3886 thread,
I once posted something that didn't fit there
as well as it fits in here - today:
Come on!
set your goal
according to your vision
You have to set your own determination to it.
In a LM3886 thread,
I once posted something that didn't fit there
as well as it fits in here - today:
Come on!
set your goal
according to your vision
You have to set your own determination to it.
Most mistakes people make come from being uninformed and therefore biased. So if peace and harmony is to exist throughout the world, then global and total informed-ation is to be seeked.
Spread the world
Also:
If you take things in perspective: dinosaurs, evolution, ages, environmental disastors, not being destroyed by meteorites, being the only developed creatures in the universe (as far as we know it), knowing human history from the Egyptians and beyond, .. then people turning against each other just seems silly and actually even absurd.
Spread the world
Also:
If you take things in perspective: dinosaurs, evolution, ages, environmental disastors, not being destroyed by meteorites, being the only developed creatures in the universe (as far as we know it), knowing human history from the Egyptians and beyond, .. then people turning against each other just seems silly and actually even absurd.
Very nice Halo,
But we have to look at history. People who appreciate the protest songs and poetry are not the ones who are to be convinced. It’s their leaders. Many of them, I think, who support the war against Irak, are against if you would ask them personally. Look at Mr. Blair: How can a Labour man think like he thinks these days? The problem here is power and strange alliances we are not aware of. But, ones gets the leader he votes for!! At least in 'the best part of Europe'.
I’m not a soldier but if you asked the 100.000 or more American man and woman who are ready to fight if they are happy now the answer would definitely be NO!! It’s absolutely amazing that a few people will and can convince almost the whole world to raise a fist against Irak. But then again, history repeats...
I feel so small when thinking about those things…
But we have to look at history. People who appreciate the protest songs and poetry are not the ones who are to be convinced. It’s their leaders. Many of them, I think, who support the war against Irak, are against if you would ask them personally. Look at Mr. Blair: How can a Labour man think like he thinks these days? The problem here is power and strange alliances we are not aware of. But, ones gets the leader he votes for!! At least in 'the best part of Europe'.
I’m not a soldier but if you asked the 100.000 or more American man and woman who are ready to fight if they are happy now the answer would definitely be NO!! It’s absolutely amazing that a few people will and can convince almost the whole world to raise a fist against Irak. But then again, history repeats...
I feel so small when thinking about those things…
Netlist said:
My wife is in the US Navy Reserves. Her unit is a SeaBee Combat Engineering Battalion attached to the Second Marine Division. Her unit hasn't been mobilised as yet, but we expect this to come any time now, probably within the month. When she goes, I and our two children (ages 9 and 3) will not see her again for at least a year, possible longer, possible never.
Do I want her to go, NO.
Do I agree with the need and understand why she will go, YES.
Do any of you think that any solder ever really wants to go to war?
War is awful, but sometimes there are worse things than war.
Iraq has the ability today to give terrorists biological weapons of mass destruction and radiological "dirty" bombs that could kill millions of people, in my country and in yours.
The West has given Iraq and Saddam a great injury and insult in the first Gulf war. We compounded this by not finishing him off when it would have been cheap to do so. Does anyone seriously believe that Saddam would not like to repay that injury?
Iraq probably has already created at least one nuclear bomb. There are terrorist organizations that would not hesitate to use a weapon of mass destruction if one came into their hands.
How long do you think it is going to take for Saddam to give them what they want?
Phil
I feel sad that even a man and his wife who stand so close to war doesn't know the real reason why he/she is brainwashed. I don’t know the real reason too, but it’s definitely not mass destruction. You won’t hear from me that Mr. Saddam is a good guy, but men should talk and keep talking and the language of Mr. Bush is so very sad and without any hope.
I feel sad too, for you that you will have to miss your wife for such a long time and live in uncertainty for so long. All because people cannot behave themselves.
There can never be a need nor understanding to go to war…that’s why Mr. Bush calls it a ‘preventive’ war. To make everyone believe it’s necessary.
Don’t be angry at me, haldor, I just wanted to let you know that there are other visions, specially outside the US…
/Hugo – hates all kind of violence, also mass destruction of our brains…
I feel sad too, for you that you will have to miss your wife for such a long time and live in uncertainty for so long. All because people cannot behave themselves.
There can never be a need nor understanding to go to war…that’s why Mr. Bush calls it a ‘preventive’ war. To make everyone believe it’s necessary.
Don’t be angry at me, haldor, I just wanted to let you know that there are other visions, specially outside the US…
/Hugo – hates all kind of violence, also mass destruction of our brains…
Good stuff, Nelsio.
"What can we do to Support Peace in our Neighbourhood?"
Write to your MP, congressman, political representative or head of state and demand that priorities are made right again.
Try to keep well-informed.
Remember that the world is more important than any one nation, and that all nations are part of and dependent upon a bigger whole.
Oh, and if you have time, try finding out what the real weapons of mass destruction are (in terms of number of intentional human deaths) and what countries are most guilty of generating and exporting them. Then write to your congressman again.
"What can we do to Support Peace in our Neighbourhood?"
Write to your MP, congressman, political representative or head of state and demand that priorities are made right again.
Try to keep well-informed.
Remember that the world is more important than any one nation, and that all nations are part of and dependent upon a bigger whole.
Oh, and if you have time, try finding out what the real weapons of mass destruction are (in terms of number of intentional human deaths) and what countries are most guilty of generating and exporting them. Then write to your congressman again.
haldor said:
I usually try to stay out of political discussions, but here I must
ask you: Do you have access to classified information not
available in media, or are you just repeating unproven claims
by Bush, Rumsfeld & co?
What puzzles so many of us is that the US has told us since
long before the weapons inspections started a few months
ago that they have proof that Iraq has mass-destruction
weapons, yet they have obviously not even passed this
information on even to the inspection teams. I don't know
what to believe. i wouldn't be surprised if Iraq has such weapons,
but I wouldn't be surprised if the opposite were true either.
If Bush really does want a broad coalition for a war against
Iraq, then why not give the inspection teams the information
needed to dig up the proofs that will show clearly to the world
that Iraq is breaking the UN resolutions? It seems politically
utterly stupid not to do so. In the meantime I and many others
are waiting to see what Powell has to show the UN on Feb. 5th.
If Saddam really is such a thread to the whole world, what about other states and dictatorships, that compose an even (by far) greater thread than Saddam and his people... Like North Korea? NK has a huge army, has biological weapons, is at least in the stage of preparing to build atom bombs, has rejected anti atomical weapon treaties... So why not use Korea to set an example?
Personally I think the Bush administration has three reasons for that:
1. Korea has no oil.
2. Bush has to settle the score with Saddam. He wnats to archieve what his father couln't.
3. The losses in a war with NK would be terrible. Their army is huge, well composed, with excellent weaponry, and right now they have nothing to lose, with starvation and ernergy crisis at hand...
So, of course I am against war. I am not so disillusioned to think that any war could be avoided, but at least I want political leaders to say the truth about the reasons for going to war (money - ernergy (oil) - personal grudge - diversion from inner political struggles). But if politicians would do that, nobody would elect them, so I will not expect that to change...
I say never trust a gunslinger-cowboy hardliner, at least not concerning moral and social aspects of life.
Arndt - who would rather run and hide than seek and strike...
Vast termination
Man made rationality
Complete elimination
Of life beyond brutality
Eternal resentment
Re-occurs time after time
Driven to despair
Extinction drawing near Lest We Forget
There's no one left
For us to slaughter
Annihilation achieved
Where next to conquer? Where Next To Conquer, both by Bolt Thrower
Personally I think the Bush administration has three reasons for that:
1. Korea has no oil.
2. Bush has to settle the score with Saddam. He wnats to archieve what his father couln't.
3. The losses in a war with NK would be terrible. Their army is huge, well composed, with excellent weaponry, and right now they have nothing to lose, with starvation and ernergy crisis at hand...
So, of course I am against war. I am not so disillusioned to think that any war could be avoided, but at least I want political leaders to say the truth about the reasons for going to war (money - ernergy (oil) - personal grudge - diversion from inner political struggles). But if politicians would do that, nobody would elect them, so I will not expect that to change...
I say never trust a gunslinger-cowboy hardliner, at least not concerning moral and social aspects of life.
Arndt - who would rather run and hide than seek and strike...
Vast termination
Man made rationality
Complete elimination
Of life beyond brutality
Eternal resentment
Re-occurs time after time
Driven to despair
Extinction drawing near Lest We Forget
There's no one left
For us to slaughter
Annihilation achieved
Where next to conquer? Where Next To Conquer, both by Bolt Thrower
Brainwashed?
I cannot for one stand idly by and see one who is willing to stand up and fight for what is right and just- be called brainwashed .
Pacifism has resuted in the untold death and suffering of millions of people. Bullies and despots thrive on the self-righteous and weak ideal of "leaving things alone"...do you think that peace will suddenly break out of its own accord?
I, as well as my brothers, are here today because somebody found the wherewithal to put their lives, and the relative safety of staying at home in the United States, aside. They left everything they had at home and went to fight or die for those in Europe who were being oppressed.
Why don't you ask the descendants of those who perished fighting to the bitter end in the Netherlands, in Poland, In Chechoslovakia....while those who thought "war is so evil" trembled under the bed, and Hitler laughed his posterior off- if the warmongering Yanks were welcome?
Please leave the insults somewhere else? Have some respect for those who are willing to fight for the rights of peoples they have never known.
I cannot for one stand idly by and see one who is willing to stand up and fight for what is right and just- be called brainwashed .
Pacifism has resuted in the untold death and suffering of millions of people. Bullies and despots thrive on the self-righteous and weak ideal of "leaving things alone"...do you think that peace will suddenly break out of its own accord?
I, as well as my brothers, are here today because somebody found the wherewithal to put their lives, and the relative safety of staying at home in the United States, aside. They left everything they had at home and went to fight or die for those in Europe who were being oppressed.
Why don't you ask the descendants of those who perished fighting to the bitter end in the Netherlands, in Poland, In Chechoslovakia....while those who thought "war is so evil" trembled under the bed, and Hitler laughed his posterior off- if the warmongering Yanks were welcome?
Please leave the insults somewhere else? Have some respect for those who are willing to fight for the rights of peoples they have never known.
Re: Brainwashed?
But maybe the leaders of the armies of the world should sometimes ask the people whose rights they are fighting for whether they want them to do that.
Of course I don't want to die at the hands of invading armies, terrorists etc.
But I also do not want to be responsible for a single bullet slicing through another man's brain fired by a soldier in the army of my country. No, not for me.
Neutron Bob said:
But maybe the leaders of the armies of the world should sometimes ask the people whose rights they are fighting for whether they want them to do that.
Of course I don't want to die at the hands of invading armies, terrorists etc.
But I also do not want to be responsible for a single bullet slicing through another man's brain fired by a soldier in the army of my country. No, not for me.
Who want's it?
Blair has his head so far up Bush's ****, he can' t see the consequences of such actions.
Right or wrong, they will only serve to further polarize world peoples.
As for unilateral action, history has some case histories they would be wise to study.
Blair has his head so far up Bush's ****, he can' t see the consequences of such actions.
Right or wrong, they will only serve to further polarize world peoples.
As for unilateral action, history has some case histories they would be wise to study.
Re: Brainwashed?
Hi, Neutron Bob
don't get or quote me wrong. I'm not insulting the brainwashed but the brainwashers. That’s something completely different.🙂
/Hugo - hopes they’re will be no war
😉
Neutron Bob said:
Hi, Neutron Bob
don't get or quote me wrong. I'm not insulting the brainwashed but the brainwashers. That’s something completely different.🙂
/Hugo - hopes they’re will be no war
😉
When they kick at your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun.
When the law break in
How you gonna go?
Shot down on the pavement
Or waiting in death raw.
The money feels good
And your life you like it well
But surely your time will come
As in haven, as in hell
Only then you will really know what war is all about.😉
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun.
When the law break in
How you gonna go?
Shot down on the pavement
Or waiting in death raw.
The money feels good
And your life you like it well
But surely your time will come
As in haven, as in hell
Only then you will really know what war is all about.😉
Netlist said:
I wonder, what gives you the certainty to say that someone you've never met, indeed someone you know nothing about, has been "brainwashed" simply becasue they disagree with you?
Re: Brainwashed?
Bob,
Sorry to disagree, but wars have caused more TOLD deaths (63 million estimated in WW2) and suffering that pacifism.
Many of those despots and bullies you acknowledge for were put on their places (or kept there) by the USA, like Saddam himself.
Another thing I think you've got wrong, in my opinion, is that Americans "left everything they had at home and went to fight or die for those in Europe who were being oppressed". Roosevelt went into the war because if Hitler took over Europe, it would be a much worst threat to the US, as he would also get stronger.
And Hitler did not make it because he was "evil", because he was very incompetent. In those times, many intelligent people around the World even admired Hitler. Stalin was probably a more savage beast than Hitler, but was more competent. Russia's resources (e.g. soldiers) were enourmous too.
As you probably are aware of, history is not a "real" thing but an interpretation of what happened. Even myself was given a vision of history that I've been reviewing recently to get closer to what a more real approach might be.
Whether we like it or not we are all "brainwashed" in school. You have to read a lot, and probably the actual documents, to get closer to what fact actually were. And even so you will be making your own interpretation. So we are back at the beginning.
Unfortunately we are not taught to think, to get to our own views. We usually had to read books (chosen by someone else) and repeat what they said. That hasn't changed much, as far as I know.
What I have found, when I talk about these things with Americans, is that it's difficult for them to understand, even more accept, that the rest of the world sees things different from what they do. I have an uncle living in the USA that stopped talking to me because I did not align with what he thought the facts were.
If we start by trying to understand what the other might be thinking and why, we may get somewhere. But I'm afraid that stage is well past in Middle East events.
Carlos
Neutron Bob said:
Bob,
Sorry to disagree, but wars have caused more TOLD deaths (63 million estimated in WW2) and suffering that pacifism.
Many of those despots and bullies you acknowledge for were put on their places (or kept there) by the USA, like Saddam himself.
Another thing I think you've got wrong, in my opinion, is that Americans "left everything they had at home and went to fight or die for those in Europe who were being oppressed". Roosevelt went into the war because if Hitler took over Europe, it would be a much worst threat to the US, as he would also get stronger.
And Hitler did not make it because he was "evil", because he was very incompetent. In those times, many intelligent people around the World even admired Hitler. Stalin was probably a more savage beast than Hitler, but was more competent. Russia's resources (e.g. soldiers) were enourmous too.
As you probably are aware of, history is not a "real" thing but an interpretation of what happened. Even myself was given a vision of history that I've been reviewing recently to get closer to what a more real approach might be.
Whether we like it or not we are all "brainwashed" in school. You have to read a lot, and probably the actual documents, to get closer to what fact actually were. And even so you will be making your own interpretation. So we are back at the beginning.
Unfortunately we are not taught to think, to get to our own views. We usually had to read books (chosen by someone else) and repeat what they said. That hasn't changed much, as far as I know.
What I have found, when I talk about these things with Americans, is that it's difficult for them to understand, even more accept, that the rest of the world sees things different from what they do. I have an uncle living in the USA that stopped talking to me because I did not align with what he thought the facts were.
If we start by trying to understand what the other might be thinking and why, we may get somewhere. But I'm afraid that stage is well past in Middle East events.
Carlos
Well, where do I start? I am one the so-called brainwashed war mongers so hated and berated by some of you within these forums. I have taken part in many military actions around the world, have seen the intelligence and can speak from first hand knowledge and address many of the statements herein.
The weaponry possessed by Saddam Hussein is a real and credible threat. I have spent several deployments during and after the Persian Gulf War conducting boardings and inspections of merchant vessels bound for Iraq looking for chem/bio/nuclear related equipment. In the early years following the War, we discovered several caches of biological cultivation equipment. Saddam Hussein has even used bio weapons on the Khurds in an effort to commit genocide. If you have doubts, do an archive search of CNN or of your favorite news station. The history is there. Those of you who criticize NATO's involvement in Iraq's activities need to watch the films I have to see the effect of bio-weaponery on the human body. It is a horrible way to die and anyone who would use it on another human being is heartlessly insane. Yes, the US had bio-weapons. They were developed in the 50s and 60s and are at US Army facility being destroyed at a cost of $13 million a year. Thank God we have realized the insanity of their existance. Five years ago an Israeli air strike destroyed a nearly finished Iraqi nuclear power plant. This plant was built for one reason: plutonium. How can you explain a power plant with no electrical power management or long term waste water management facilities?
As for N. Korea, we always a large force present in the Western Pacific keeping an eye on them. Fortunately, China is now in now more in line with the world in an effort to maintain peace and has told N. Korea to effort peace with S. Korea and it's allies. That is why N. Korea's economy is suffering. China has withheld some of their imports and their initial resistance to China's pressure has hurt them financially. The general public doesn't hear about it because our involvement isn't big news. We have been supporting S. Korea for the last 50+ years against their resistance to N. Korea's attempts at invasion and it has become old news. If N. Korea does something to provoke a response, they will probably get a stern one from China.
By the way, Hitler and Stalin were themselves commiting genocide, marching through countries destroying and looting as they went. We were there to prevent this from happening to our allies and eventually to us. Do you think Hitler's armies would have just stopped at Sweden's borders if your grandfathers' had just thrown their hands up and said, "We're against war!" What do you think the outcome would have been if the US hadn't been involved in WWII? I am sure the Kuwaities can add their sentiment to mine as well.
War is not the only mission of the US military. We have evacated countless thousands of people following many natural disasters. Food drops, building bridges and dams, using a nuclear submarine's power plant to supply power to an island devasted by a typhoon. All examples of how the US functions as a remedy in this world and not the disease. We are giving billions of dollars in aid to countries needing assistance. Most European countries' economies were jumpstarted after WWI and WWII from money from the US. Both wars we joined late in an effort to stop them. Russia, who was so recently our complete enemies, received $3.5 billion dollars in aid in 1996 to shore up their economy even while they were still building and selling weapons to many countries we opposed. Why? Because if they have a stable economy, the nuclear weapons they have are more likely to stay in their silos and submarines than if not. It was a way to preclude a destabilization of their government and a possible war. The same "brainwashers" make those decisions as well the ones to go to war.
Not every decision is correct and they will never be. I am very sad that there are people in this world with the power to kill thousands of people because they don't like their religion, culture, or ethnicity and just as sad that it takes such an extreme measure as war to keep them from doing that. This is especially true since I have seen it, but
I also believe their will be a need for war as long as people are killed for such reasons
If you stand idly by and let the tyranical of this world kill whomever and take what it wants from the oppressed, who are you to decide what is right and wrong for your children? Your decision to turn a blind eye or whine how we shouldn't be involved to what is happening around the world is in my eyes no different than not telling your child it wrong to steal or hurt another child. It is moral neutrality and is the reason so much criminal action in the world is not dealt with. Taking a moral stand for what is right or wrong means defending that decision, be it through aid or military action, especially when the lives of an entire nation is involved.
The weaponry possessed by Saddam Hussein is a real and credible threat. I have spent several deployments during and after the Persian Gulf War conducting boardings and inspections of merchant vessels bound for Iraq looking for chem/bio/nuclear related equipment. In the early years following the War, we discovered several caches of biological cultivation equipment. Saddam Hussein has even used bio weapons on the Khurds in an effort to commit genocide. If you have doubts, do an archive search of CNN or of your favorite news station. The history is there. Those of you who criticize NATO's involvement in Iraq's activities need to watch the films I have to see the effect of bio-weaponery on the human body. It is a horrible way to die and anyone who would use it on another human being is heartlessly insane. Yes, the US had bio-weapons. They were developed in the 50s and 60s and are at US Army facility being destroyed at a cost of $13 million a year. Thank God we have realized the insanity of their existance. Five years ago an Israeli air strike destroyed a nearly finished Iraqi nuclear power plant. This plant was built for one reason: plutonium. How can you explain a power plant with no electrical power management or long term waste water management facilities?
As for N. Korea, we always a large force present in the Western Pacific keeping an eye on them. Fortunately, China is now in now more in line with the world in an effort to maintain peace and has told N. Korea to effort peace with S. Korea and it's allies. That is why N. Korea's economy is suffering. China has withheld some of their imports and their initial resistance to China's pressure has hurt them financially. The general public doesn't hear about it because our involvement isn't big news. We have been supporting S. Korea for the last 50+ years against their resistance to N. Korea's attempts at invasion and it has become old news. If N. Korea does something to provoke a response, they will probably get a stern one from China.
By the way, Hitler and Stalin were themselves commiting genocide, marching through countries destroying and looting as they went. We were there to prevent this from happening to our allies and eventually to us. Do you think Hitler's armies would have just stopped at Sweden's borders if your grandfathers' had just thrown their hands up and said, "We're against war!" What do you think the outcome would have been if the US hadn't been involved in WWII? I am sure the Kuwaities can add their sentiment to mine as well.
War is not the only mission of the US military. We have evacated countless thousands of people following many natural disasters. Food drops, building bridges and dams, using a nuclear submarine's power plant to supply power to an island devasted by a typhoon. All examples of how the US functions as a remedy in this world and not the disease. We are giving billions of dollars in aid to countries needing assistance. Most European countries' economies were jumpstarted after WWI and WWII from money from the US. Both wars we joined late in an effort to stop them. Russia, who was so recently our complete enemies, received $3.5 billion dollars in aid in 1996 to shore up their economy even while they were still building and selling weapons to many countries we opposed. Why? Because if they have a stable economy, the nuclear weapons they have are more likely to stay in their silos and submarines than if not. It was a way to preclude a destabilization of their government and a possible war. The same "brainwashers" make those decisions as well the ones to go to war.
Not every decision is correct and they will never be. I am very sad that there are people in this world with the power to kill thousands of people because they don't like their religion, culture, or ethnicity and just as sad that it takes such an extreme measure as war to keep them from doing that. This is especially true since I have seen it, but
I also believe their will be a need for war as long as people are killed for such reasons
If you stand idly by and let the tyranical of this world kill whomever and take what it wants from the oppressed, who are you to decide what is right and wrong for your children? Your decision to turn a blind eye or whine how we shouldn't be involved to what is happening around the world is in my eyes no different than not telling your child it wrong to steal or hurt another child. It is moral neutrality and is the reason so much criminal action in the world is not dealt with. Taking a moral stand for what is right or wrong means defending that decision, be it through aid or military action, especially when the lives of an entire nation is involved.
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