I really love my F4. Really really. For the sound it yields with a ba3-fe in front of it first, and all those other reasons 6L6 gave above second. I was
originally going to reuse the case it's in for the vfet amp I'm building but changed my mind and decided to just pony up the dough for another case so I can leave it intact. That's how much I like it. And I have some Glassware kits I want to hear with it, and the vfet amp.
originally going to reuse the case it's in for the vfet amp I'm building but changed my mind and decided to just pony up the dough for another case so I can leave it intact. That's how much I like it. And I have some Glassware kits I want to hear with it, and the vfet amp.
And to make all that topical to the thread, it puts out more than enough wattage for my 93db Canton CT-1000s. Haven't seen too many of them around up for grabs, but they more than meet my needs.
I too love my F4. I feed with a John Broskie Aikido 6sn7 into 6sn7. I have a set of Planet10 Frugel-horn XL's with Mark Audio A10PeN. For me, my wife and everybody that has heard this set up, it sounds great in my living room. Right now I am sitting listening to A Windham sampler album while the last of the daylight fades into the light snow falling, while having a nice homemade beer.
Life is good
Life is good
High efficiency speakers say above 96dB, I reckon Zen Mods 6dB KISS preamp would probably be all the gain you needed (assuming cd/dac source) connected to an F4 (or the single ended equivalent).
You should go diy speakers all the way. I have aluminum driver mtm based off of Jeff B's Denhams with a f6 and ba-3 pre-amp and it sounds fantastic.
allthow not very sensitive, i like these speakers
Speaker Design Works
allthow not very sensitive, i like these speakers
Speaker Design Works
Altec 604 & other speakers-VFET and SIT2 amps
I heard a pair of vintage Altec 604 running with a Maratntz 8 power amp/Marantz 7 preamp in Osaka last year and immediately fell in love and plan to build a pair as soon as I have time.
I own most of the original Sony VFET products, a First Watt SIT2 and also am an extremely fortunate owner of a Pass VFET unit (I will be building my own VFET kit as soon as I receive the supplemental kit).
My main speakers are Magnepans (powered by Ampzilla 2000's) but I own a a pair of Celestion Ditton 33s which are magical with the VFETs amps as well as the SIT2 amp.
Other speakers that I tried with less success:
- Focal/JM Labs Tantal just do not match the VFETs but a very nice match with the SIT2 though
- JWM Acoustics NET-1 which normally sound magnificent sound VERY DRY with VFETs as well as the SIT2.
I heard a pair of vintage Altec 604 running with a Maratntz 8 power amp/Marantz 7 preamp in Osaka last year and immediately fell in love and plan to build a pair as soon as I have time.
I own most of the original Sony VFET products, a First Watt SIT2 and also am an extremely fortunate owner of a Pass VFET unit (I will be building my own VFET kit as soon as I receive the supplemental kit).
My main speakers are Magnepans (powered by Ampzilla 2000's) but I own a a pair of Celestion Ditton 33s which are magical with the VFETs amps as well as the SIT2 amp.
Other speakers that I tried with less success:
- Focal/JM Labs Tantal just do not match the VFETs but a very nice match with the SIT2 though
- JWM Acoustics NET-1 which normally sound magnificent sound VERY DRY with VFETs as well as the SIT2.
Hi Apaya,
On speakers where they both work well, how do you find the SIT2 compared with
the VFet amp?
Thanks,
Dennis
On speakers where they both work well, how do you find the SIT2 compared with
the VFet amp?
Thanks,
Dennis
Dennis,
I love the SIT2, it does remind me a lot of some of my tube amps. All my VFET amps (Sony, Yamaha, Pass) have a very distinct sound, I would describe it as "holographic, not sure it makes sense but they truly are different than any device or topology than I'm familiar with.
I do believe the matching preamp has as much impact as the speakers while using VFETs, I find my "Forte Model 2" preamp and my vintage Sony TAE-86 two perfect matches so far.
Armin
I love the SIT2, it does remind me a lot of some of my tube amps. All my VFET amps (Sony, Yamaha, Pass) have a very distinct sound, I would describe it as "holographic, not sure it makes sense but they truly are different than any device or topology than I'm familiar with.
I do believe the matching preamp has as much impact as the speakers while using VFETs, I find my "Forte Model 2" preamp and my vintage Sony TAE-86 two perfect matches so far.
Armin
Hi everyone, can you recommend a diy Pass amp that you think will pair well with these speakers:
ScanSpeak-3W-Discovery
I am building these speakers & would like an amp to pair with it as my next build....apologies in advance, I don't mean to hijack the thread. Just thinking my query is on topic. thanks.
ScanSpeak-3W-Discovery
I am building these speakers & would like an amp to pair with it as my next build....apologies in advance, I don't mean to hijack the thread. Just thinking my query is on topic. thanks.
I'm in love for OB, i'd call it as ultimate solution for PaPa fans who has built more than 1 amplifier. My current cheap speaker set : Alpair 10p on cardboard OB + 7" woofer on BR.
I have aragon2004 which can not compete FW clone (J2, AJ, M2) as bass amplifier, it is strange that I dont even need huge power for bass. While SIT L'amp sounds wonderfull on A10p
OB setup that i will start to build : 2x15" Eminence Beta M-frame + FR (A10p or 12LTA or AN 12").
my dream OB setup : 2xAE15 dipole + FR (Lowther or Voxativ)
for you guys who live in US or EU, it seems that you have alot of options, while here I have a very limited one. But at least we have SBA drivers made locally, I'm waiting for their FullRange product
I have aragon2004 which can not compete FW clone (J2, AJ, M2) as bass amplifier, it is strange that I dont even need huge power for bass. While SIT L'amp sounds wonderfull on A10p
OB setup that i will start to build : 2x15" Eminence Beta M-frame + FR (A10p or 12LTA or AN 12").
my dream OB setup : 2xAE15 dipole + FR (Lowther or Voxativ)
for you guys who live in US or EU, it seems that you have alot of options, while here I have a very limited one. But at least we have SBA drivers made locally, I'm waiting for their FullRange product
F6, F5, M2, BA3, F4 provided you already have a nice preamp with at least 15dB of gain, Tweaked Aleph J to deal with 6 Ohm impedance.
That's just for starters
Castle Howard S3 British made classics.
91db with an F6.
An unusual design with an upward firing driver working with the normal pair of front facing.
They work well for me in a large room with very high ceiling.
Music is mostly acoustic folk and female vocal so no need for very loud.
But I do want a very clean but relaxed sound.
6moons audio reviews: Castle Howard S3
Works for me!
91db with an F6.
An unusual design with an upward firing driver working with the normal pair of front facing.
They work well for me in a large room with very high ceiling.
Music is mostly acoustic folk and female vocal so no need for very loud.
But I do want a very clean but relaxed sound.
6moons audio reviews: Castle Howard S3
Works for me!
suggest burmester 022 - that's a rather small monitor with a heil amt tweeter and a c18 cm
cone bass. sensitivity about 88-90 dB/1m. It works really well with First Watt J2 and also with F5t with 32v rails. the sound is impeccable.
cone bass. sensitivity about 88-90 dB/1m. It works really well with First Watt J2 and also with F5t with 32v rails. the sound is impeccable.
All wide range drivers or horns is worst.
See Papa school open baffle speakers on the photo show at BAF.
Horns for smaller single-ended SIT-1 can be wonderful or /4 by quarter reducted Kleinhorns 😀
My future diy project ?
Greetings 🙂
See Papa school open baffle speakers on the photo show at BAF.
Horns for smaller single-ended SIT-1 can be wonderful or /4 by quarter reducted Kleinhorns 😀
My future diy project ?
Greetings 🙂
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prun time
some speakers ,most of them resulted from my two gray cells , all singing well on some sort of Papamp
oldest ones , sorta Voigt cab , Focal drivers ; not much brain in them , luckily copied from net , eons ago ;
then , in my wokshop , venerable RCA LC1B , in MLTL cabs made by ZZZ (as known on Baby DiyA) , driven by Papa's Koan
then Sonido drives based - Sonido 8" FR , helped by Sonido 12" in MLTL bass cab and Fountek ribbon above ; Woland's ( as known on Baby DiyA)
then 12" Tann MLTL for Woland ;
then 15" Tann MLTL for woland
then 10" Tann MLTL for Mighty AR2
then Her's Absolute WAF OB - 15" Tann above , helped with Beyma 15" bellow
in fact , almost any decent spk will work with Papamps ;
some speakers ,most of them resulted from my two gray cells , all singing well on some sort of Papamp
oldest ones , sorta Voigt cab , Focal drivers ; not much brain in them , luckily copied from net , eons ago ;
then , in my wokshop , venerable RCA LC1B , in MLTL cabs made by ZZZ (as known on Baby DiyA) , driven by Papa's Koan
then Sonido drives based - Sonido 8" FR , helped by Sonido 12" in MLTL bass cab and Fountek ribbon above ; Woland's ( as known on Baby DiyA)
then 12" Tann MLTL for Woland ;
then 15" Tann MLTL for woland
then 10" Tann MLTL for Mighty AR2
then Her's Absolute WAF OB - 15" Tann above , helped with Beyma 15" bellow
in fact , almost any decent spk will work with Papamps ;
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Hi Armin,
Thank you for your comments. I hope one day to get a chance to audition the SIT2.
BTW, is your Pass VFET amp one of Papa's dual pair creations as outlined in the
VFET pt 2 article or it something even rarer?
Thanks,
Dennis
Thank you for your comments. I hope one day to get a chance to audition the SIT2.
BTW, is your Pass VFET amp one of Papa's dual pair creations as outlined in the
VFET pt 2 article or it something even rarer?
Thanks,
Dennis