Is there a DIY project or kit if I build using a 12 inch Fane Sovereign? I guess I would need tweater, to go with it, a passive crossover and a cabinet design?
I would not use the 12" Fane with a tweeter if you want such a project, there are way better woofer for that that can live in a smaller cabinet. The Faital 10FE330 or the 12" variation of it would be a lot better. It has very little xmax (3.5mm) so it won't go loud low. I drive it with a 15W amp.
The fane is good for a single driver fullrange speaker, but needs a big cabinet. I made one with a big cabinet (I thought about 200L) for outside. This is also not a speaker for close listening, it sounds best from +3m in a bigger space. I don't have drawn plans for this, only a few notes with sizes and calculations. But it's huge. And it's high sensitive so it need a tweeter that is like that also, wich means a compression driver in a horn or waveguide.
It's not a driver i would recommend for hifi listening of classical music. It's great for an outdoor speaker for less critical listening. Not what you want i think.
The fane is good for a single driver fullrange speaker, but needs a big cabinet. I made one with a big cabinet (I thought about 200L) for outside. This is also not a speaker for close listening, it sounds best from +3m in a bigger space. I don't have drawn plans for this, only a few notes with sizes and calculations. But it's huge. And it's high sensitive so it need a tweeter that is like that also, wich means a compression driver in a horn or waveguide.
It's not a driver i would recommend for hifi listening of classical music. It's great for an outdoor speaker for less critical listening. Not what you want i think.
@roboDNA: As a bucket list project have recently built the CSS Criton 2TD-X MTM speaker kit with the upgraded Jentzen crossovers. The kit is well done though expensive. In particular, the case is impressive and once properly glued, has no resonance whatever. Bass response is ridiculously powerful.
Move back and forth from these speakers in one room to the Tekton Double Impacts in the other and the difference is substantial. Both have merits but if I was buying a single set, I would choose the Tektons. The Tekton DIs have significantly better soundstage and imaging and, as reported by many reviewers, their midrange response is spectacular.
In my recording studio I use Genelec 8351 monitors for digital recording and Emotiva Stealth 8 monitors for analog feeds. Both work great. The Genelec monitors have been significantly improved with recent DSP firmware upgrades. They use three amplifiers in each case combining A/B and class D amplification.
You will be getting all kinds of suggestions in this thread and I suggest you divide all information into two categories: those that report on speakers they own and listen to and those that supply technical and/or measurement data (or personal comments). There is substantial difference between these categories of information.
Move back and forth from these speakers in one room to the Tekton Double Impacts in the other and the difference is substantial. Both have merits but if I was buying a single set, I would choose the Tektons. The Tekton DIs have significantly better soundstage and imaging and, as reported by many reviewers, their midrange response is spectacular.
In my recording studio I use Genelec 8351 monitors for digital recording and Emotiva Stealth 8 monitors for analog feeds. Both work great. The Genelec monitors have been significantly improved with recent DSP firmware upgrades. They use three amplifiers in each case combining A/B and class D amplification.
You will be getting all kinds of suggestions in this thread and I suggest you divide all information into two categories: those that report on speakers they own and listen to and those that supply technical and/or measurement data (or personal comments). There is substantial difference between these categories of information.
Lots of cheap speakers can get guitar and voice right. That is 90% of the market. 200 to 5000 hz. It takes smooth wide frequency response 54-15000 hz and low distortion to sound like a Steinway grand piano. The SP2(2004) sounds more like my Steinway console piano than any other speaker I have heard. Even the Meyersounds down at Brown Theater. Admittedly KEF and JBL do not demonstrate in my market, and nobody I know owns a pair. I'd like to hear some Danley SH-50 some time, but none of those in my area either. I heard AR3 on Simon & Garfunkle, too easy to reproduce for words, and Klipschhorn on trumpet string bass brush cymbal, also not really a difficult track. When I saw the SP5 on craigslist looked like Voice of the Theater I heard in 1966, I went to the store with a piano CD (3 Beethoven Sonantas, Serkin). SP5 were light on the bass, but SP2(2004) sounded real, much like VOT at the cinema in 1966. Note SP2 2020 is retuned for more watts (1000 versus 500) and has dropped the HD spec the 2004 model had. Note also if you are sitting closer than 2.5 m to the speakers, SP2 are not for you. If you find some road warriors with a blown driver, the 1508-KADT and the RX22 drivers are still available from Peavey and retailers like tubesandmore.com . Take a CD player & amp to audition any used speaker, rattles and missing frequencies elicit a big discount. The owner of the SP2(2004) would not let me plug my CD player into his amp. Was afraid I would blow it up. Demo with electric guitar proves nothing about high & low frequencies.
You want a quick cheap project, put 2 visiton BG17-8 on one end of 2 8"x8"x14" cardboard boxes. Cut a 1" square port in the other end. Tape the top shut. 93 db 1w1m efficiency, 100-10000 hz on axis response. I use something like that in my TV room for PBS HDTV concerts. Elton John awards ceremony will be on Friday night. I use # 6 screws with washers and elastic stop nuts to secure them, so the screws don't rattle and the nuts don't back off. At 1-10 watts the cardboard box doesn't vibrate, either. Not a party speaker.
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@indianajo I listen mostly to high-end classical feeds from my Revox R2R players and VPI Prime turntable with Hana ML cartridge. My recording studio uses a Schimmel concert grand and the recordings get previewed on the Tekton speakers. The speaker assessments provided above are based upon the highest in media quality.
The Fane 12 inch fullrange will work also in a smaller box if EQed. For efficiency it should not be too small however. A double magnet can be added giving 1-2 db more efficiency and reducing necessary box volume.
The big Fane fullranges are not in need of a tweeter but could be linearized on axis with EQ and side indirect tweeters can give broad dispersion in the highs. Will make the box sound more open.
I have to state that my experiments with current driven amps showed that EQ became less important as these amplifiers really leave you completely happy (especially with no network fullrange drivers) doing something right usual amps won't do.
As the Fane 12inch is a bargain my recommemdation is to try this ideal match with the sophisticated Pass amp.
Would it even put it in a corner with triangular box shape eliminating the need for baffle step compensation and low tuned bass reflex to 25 / 30 Hertz will give you great deep bass.
The big Fane fullranges are not in need of a tweeter but could be linearized on axis with EQ and side indirect tweeters can give broad dispersion in the highs. Will make the box sound more open.
I have to state that my experiments with current driven amps showed that EQ became less important as these amplifiers really leave you completely happy (especially with no network fullrange drivers) doing something right usual amps won't do.
As the Fane 12inch is a bargain my recommemdation is to try this ideal match with the sophisticated Pass amp.
Would it even put it in a corner with triangular box shape eliminating the need for baffle step compensation and low tuned bass reflex to 25 / 30 Hertz will give you great deep bass.
You can use it in a small cabinet but you will loose a lot of it's bass capacity's. If you tune it too low the response will not be good. Corner loading will make up for that, that is true, but it's not a clean bass.
And in the highs it's not subtile. Classical music need very detailled speakers without sounding bright, and a real tweeter (dome or compression driver) does that a lot better. And for woofer is the xmax a bit little. That's why i use a big box, to get more bass out of it with the limited xmax. An Econowave, even the cheap variations of it, will be a lot better for classical than this driver. This on excells more on pop music where the detailled clean high is less important. It's my outside speaker, and it's very good for that, but ffor classical i go to my Mark audio/Scanspeak setup as it's a lot better.
And in the highs it's not subtile. Classical music need very detailled speakers without sounding bright, and a real tweeter (dome or compression driver) does that a lot better. And for woofer is the xmax a bit little. That's why i use a big box, to get more bass out of it with the limited xmax. An Econowave, even the cheap variations of it, will be a lot better for classical than this driver. This on excells more on pop music where the detailled clean high is less important. It's my outside speaker, and it's very good for that, but ffor classical i go to my Mark audio/Scanspeak setup as it's a lot better.
+1. If it's chamber, the FR's can fake a lot of good stuff. If you have symphony and need the big wall of energy with clarity of the maniacal violins, big comes from big multiway (pref horns) 🙂
Listen mostly to large symphonic scores and find that the Double Impacts are particularly good at presenting sectional soundstaging. Lots of space between each section with very clear timbral definition. Recently compared some Klipsch speakers with the DIs and the DIs won hands down. Their "tweeter" mid-range offers a tight and clear view into the texture.
Now this has recently surprised me. It is difficult to get large scale crescendos effortless and accurate. As part of the new Pearl 3 build thread (Wayne Colburn's new phono-stage), have adopted the practice of building a PSU for each discrete L/R channel PCB. If you apply this same design to the preamp (a WB2018 in my case) and monoblock amps, one of the positive results is that the entire system provides extremely loud passages with a natural realism I had not heard before. A kind of effortlessness that allows you to play much louder and achieve concert-level volume. Has made a dramatic improvement in my systems.
Now this has recently surprised me. It is difficult to get large scale crescendos effortless and accurate. As part of the new Pearl 3 build thread (Wayne Colburn's new phono-stage), have adopted the practice of building a PSU for each discrete L/R channel PCB. If you apply this same design to the preamp (a WB2018 in my case) and monoblock amps, one of the positive results is that the entire system provides extremely loud passages with a natural realism I had not heard before. A kind of effortlessness that allows you to play much louder and achieve concert-level volume. Has made a dramatic improvement in my systems.
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I am pretty sure that with the good Nelson Pass amp there will be some good matching.
I just finished my latest project, a 174L ported box for the Fane Sovereighn 12-250TC. And with a little filter on the driver, this sounds very good. I knew it was a good driver (used it in PA speakers already), but with filter it's very hifi sounding. They are big and heavy altough. I'll have to put it on casters to move it I think... Plans are in the making and will be published at some point (but still learning how to do that).
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I am pretty sure that with the good Nelson Pass amp there will be some good matching.
I'm considering the Tekton but not sold since I don't know which pair would be the best match and there are a few in the $2000 price range. Some at 2ohm, upgraded tweeters, different drivers etc. There is also the tekton resonance question... I don't know much about speakers so I'm relying on what other are using.
Are there any decent new JBLs under $2000 I should consider? Since it's my first decent pair of speakers and am learning, I don't want to blow the budget. I'll most likely want a 'nicer' pair in the near future and use the first pair in the basement.
Are there any decent new JBLs under $2000 I should consider? Since it's my first decent pair of speakers and am learning, I don't want to blow the budget. I'll most likely want a 'nicer' pair in the near future and use the first pair in the basement.
Tekton seems to take the "throw the kitchen sink" approach to design. The measurements are not good. Everyone has their 2cents. I just don't get the 10 tweeter idea. One tweeter and a nice crossover has little interference.
I have never heard a Tekton, but they are very strange beasts. They certainly py no attention to the quarter-wave criteria.
But i have also had prvate dealings with Alexander — from that interaction i would not go near his loudspeakers even if they did sound good (which i doubt).
dave
But i have also had prvate dealings with Alexander — from that interaction i would not go near his loudspeakers even if they did sound good (which i doubt).
dave
I gotta think shipping a pair up here would be a pain. An then return shipping if you don't like them. Yikes!
jeff
I think @stephe tried the new L82 Classis, and returned them. Looks like retail here is over $4k anyway.
Wharfedale Linton Heritage are $2k/pair. The internet seems to like them, and Erin too.
jeff
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Are Paradigm good? They 'partner' with National Research Council ( tax payer paid ) so I don't think they advertise specs they can't back up.... They are inexpensive too.
https://www.paradigm.com/en/home-theater-stereo/monitor-se-8000f
https://www.paradigm.com/en/home-theater-stereo/monitor-se-8000f
Canadain speaker manufacturers near Ottawa got a big boost by the free access to the anechoic chamber.
Paradigm seems well liked, been a LONG time since i heard them
dave
Same. I borrowed a pair years ago from a guy at work, 7se maybe. They weren't very good.
There must be something in their current lineup that's at least decent.
jeff
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